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Elroy does his math
« on: May 08, 2011, 08:47:24 PM »
Strictly by the numbers.
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Re: Elroy does his math
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2011, 08:57:06 PM »
Wow another great plane in the same year. #^ y1 y1 y1

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« Last Edit: May 08, 2011, 09:54:59 PM by Larry Wong »
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Re: Elroy does his math
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2011, 12:47:53 AM »
Elroy - another fine piece of artistic handiwork.

I gather this is buffed out - Perfect shapes, another fine FINE example of your flava'

I love the faded yellow colour.. I always like the other yellow you use, but this is subtle and nice.

Is this your US Nats model? all electrified.

Love some of the concepts you have explored design wise........ Sweet :)
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Re: Elroy does his math
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2011, 06:41:07 AM »
Excuse my ignorance - Explain the aluminum looking structure down the bottom??

 ???

All in All WOW!!   H^^
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Re: Elroy does his math
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2011, 07:11:46 AM »
 :o Absolutely IMPRESSIVE finishing Phil!!! :o and unique design too  <=
Are you using some sort of decal paper for the lettering and graphics?
Tell us more about that beauty when you have a moment...

My sincerest congratulations for an IMPECCABLY done job!

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Re: Elroy does his math
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2011, 11:18:29 AM »
PTG,

Nice work! I love the play on words. I love the originality. I love the paint scheme. What are the specs on this piece?

Looks like an easy 20 pointer from here.

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Re: Elroy does his math
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2011, 11:47:26 AM »
John, you ask an interesting question.  It is a molded balsa tube and the primary function is to add aft fuselage area and complicate the whole building process.  Somehow I decided that molded tubes, cheek cowls, fuse tops, wing tips and wheel pants are fun so I just look for different things to do with them. 

Here are a couple of building pics. Still wondering how I got from there to the finished plane.  As I look at the excellent detailed chronicles from Bob Hunt, Christ Rigotti and others I am chagrined and apologetic for my meager contribution to this electric forum of Sparky's world. 

American Pi is the result of a marathon build that started in late January.    There are some notable differences between Pi and Elroy.  The most notable are longer tail moment, increased stab area with lower aspect ratio, different root airfoil and more aft fuselage area. 

Quick specs:
610 sq.
Plettenberg 20-12 motor
48 oz. all electric components no battery
Ice 50 Lite
Hubin FM-9
Max Products arming switch

Also, used automotive low VOC lacquer for all color.  Mixed results this time out but think I got it figured out.  After 55 years of dope fumes it is becoming more difficult for me to work with the stuff due to allergic reactions.  Still use it for base though.

At this point I'm totally exhausted but hope to do maiden flight later this week if weather and wind will cooperate.

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Re: Elroy does his math
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2011, 12:14:37 PM »
Those building pictures , somehow beg the question. How in the world does a perfectly elegant model come out of that ungodly pig mess of a shop? Just amazed to see that , from a guy that alway appears neat and organized.Probably that building mess was just faked to add mystique to your character.  Keith Varley     ps   Another winner for sure.Congratulations .Bring it to the N.W.Regionals .I hope you never have to sing "Bye , Bye, Miss American Pie.

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Re: Elroy does his math
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2011, 01:42:14 PM »
Looks great PTG!

I dont think I will have my new one ready in time....... and you got two done! Makes me sick!   ;D

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Re: Elroy does his math
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2011, 01:44:03 PM »
Phil, Phil you will always be a hero to me.
Your planes are s*^t hot and your workspace is fine. This guy Keith must know nothing of Tom Wardens shop!
I see people my age out there climbing mountains and zip lining and here I am feeling good about myself because I got my leg through my underwear without losing my balance

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Re: Elroy does his math
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2011, 02:04:54 PM »
That is an incredibly beautiful airplane!!!

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Re: Elroy does his math
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2011, 02:06:23 PM »
Hey Les,

Those who know....KNOW!

Once upon a time long ago, things were neat and sorta organized BUT.......WHERE'S THE SPORT IN THAT?
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Re: Elroy does his math
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2011, 02:44:03 PM »
Hey, that looks just like my work bench!!  y1 Why don't my models come out looking anywhere as nice as yours???  HB~>

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Re: Elroy does his math
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2011, 04:55:31 PM »
It looks GREAT Phil!!!!!  Sure looks like a winner from over here!!  #^
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Re: Elroy does his math
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2011, 05:16:35 PM »
HHAHAA and I thought my work space was messy.....  and I have regualr clean ups.

Pretty impressive Phil, I thought it was Elroy 2!!! but American Pi is sweet.. even down to 32 places.........!


Comeon Derek - Aren't you in painting stage? Surely you can crush out the finish in time.. I've almost finished mine, pics to follow in 2 weeks.

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Re: Elroy does his math
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2011, 06:26:31 PM »
Absolutely stunning - again.  I like your evolving the designs too from the excellent Elroy 1 to American Pi - the continuing discoveries in the E-LiFE Style. 
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Re: Elroy does his math
« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2011, 08:09:45 PM »
I found this on a website. Thought it would be a good laugh

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Re: Elroy does his math
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2011, 08:46:16 PM »
Holy Entrails PJ, you need to lay off the Vegemite!
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Re: Elroy does his math
« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2011, 09:57:03 PM »
I'm assisting with the design paint work for a future Pi version.

I found it on a website, whats more amazing than your paint job than Pii to 10,000 places?

Or the fact that someone put it ON a website in the first place for me to paste to here - HAHA looks awesome. Is that your US Nats model?
If you always put limit on everything you do, physical or anything else. It will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.” - Bruce Lee.

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Re: Elroy does his math
« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2011, 06:04:46 AM »
PJ

The 14th 2 should have been a 3.

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Re: Elroy does his math
« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2011, 08:21:25 AM »
Phil
Great looking plane. Old math son... old math!

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« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2011, 02:16:46 PM »
Hi Gang,
A bunch of years ago, I had this buddy who built a flying wing disc that was painted up real pretty like a pizza pie.
Sadly, it had anchovies. Didn't hurt the flying characteristics though!

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Re: Elroy does his math
« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2011, 02:53:45 PM »

Also, used automotive low VOC lacquer for all color.  Mixed results this time out but think I got it figured out.  After 55 years of dope fumes it is becoming more difficult for me to work with the stuff due to allergic reactions.  Still use it for base though.

What brand was the auto lacquer you used ?   Is it less of a problem for you vs the dope ?  
I thought dope and lacquer would be about the same in that respect.

Another great looking plane !
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Re: Elroy does his math
« Reply #23 on: May 11, 2011, 10:52:15 AM »
Hi Allan,

The paint is Transtar.  It is low VOC automotive lacquer.  The fumes are much less and virtually no gas of period.  It dries instantly and goes on very smooth.  Personally I don't have any adverse reaction compared to dope.  As stated I had mixed results using it on Pi.  The intricate painting I like to do does require more thinning than the recommended 50/50 and a different spraying technique.  It is a basecoat and requires a clear over coat.  It is very compatible with dope so you could actually use clear dope over it with no problem.  I used it on Elroy for the base color and used dope for all the trim.  No hint of incompatibility.  One of the most interesting things discovered is that it can be brushed on.  Did this in quite a few places to fix some glaring imperfections.  Based on what I have learned on PI this will be my paint on all future planes. 
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Re: Elroy does his math
« Reply #24 on: May 11, 2011, 06:27:02 PM »
" to fix some glaring imperfections "

How hard is it to fix 2 micron paint spots PTG? I find it difficult to use brushes the width of 1 human hair.
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Re: Elroy does his math
« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2011, 06:27:29 AM »
  Now when I look at my WORKSHOP I don't feel so bad. Pretty airplane!!

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Re: Elroy does his math
« Reply #26 on: May 22, 2011, 10:29:01 PM »
Hey.....That "B" on the stab SHOULD be a "D". Ya know, "your" reference to the JCT.

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