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Offline Rob Swider

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Inexpensive Timer
« on: June 29, 2009, 07:50:53 PM »
After seeing the advertisement for the new E-flite PT-19 that can be setup either C/L or RC, I got curious how they were controlling run time and motor speed.  I was surprised to find that Horizon Hobby is offering the timer separately for only $9.97 USD.

Take a look:
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=EFLA172

Stopped by my local hobby shop tonight and ordered one.  Decided to order one of their adjustable handles as well...


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Re: Inexpensive Timer
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2009, 08:00:26 PM »
How fancy the timer needs to be depends a little on how fancy the ESC is.

Back before the governor mode of the ESC became ubiquitous, the normal voltage drop of the battery was compensated by the timer ramping up the throttle during the flight. This keeps the lap speed nominally constant. I use this mode on my 1/2 a models where  was trying to make a simple cheap (no governor-mode ESC), and there it works pretty well---these planes tend to fly ballistically anyway!

With governor mode, the timers can be really simple---unless you want some rpm trim capability.

I guess we can always want more!!!

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Re: Inexpensive Timer
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2009, 06:54:13 AM »
Rob
I found the motor cut off unusable so my timer sits in my flight box. There are two handles on the web site which one did you get and how was it?

   Rob

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Re: Inexpensive Timer
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2009, 08:57:43 PM »
I've been making some tests on one of these timers, using an oscilloscope. It is a nice, compact, professionally-made unit, wrapped in plastic. It uses a tiny (surface-mount) version of the microcontroller used by Igor in his first timer, the PIC 12F675. I found that it pretty much works as advertised.

Upon powering up, it put out a 1.022 ms signal (throttle off) at 45.9 Hz. During a run, it can be adjusted between 1.006 (throttle really off) to 2.038 ms (a little more than the nominal 2.0 ms for full throttle). The instructions state that "Approximately 3 seconds before the motors begins to gradually slow down, the cut-off alert will occur. This is a very brief reduction in motor rpm. This signals that the motor will begin to slow down to a full stop within 10 seconds." It does slow down and quickly go to throttle off, starting almost immediately after the momentary low-power warning; no wonder this isn't very helpful in escaping from anything more than level flight, since most timers return to full power for 5 seconds or more after the warning.

It was easy enough to set the flight time (one minute for each sudden spike of throttle), but it is restricted to whole minutes and it has to be done every time you fly. The run-up to flight power starts almost immediately thereafter -- not good if you still have to get to the center of the circle. Another curious property: Although it can be stopped (to 1.0 ms) at any time during the "flight" time by pushing on the button, it also can be re-started at any time (to the throttle spikes and flight timing) after a flight is over -- potentially a hazard if you accidentally push on the button.

Since it uses a standard ESC (which doesn't have a constant-RPM function), it can be easily replaced by a timer that implements a throttle advance to compensate for the decline in battery voltage during a flight, as well as better flight management, if desired. I'm planning on bench testing the timer with the larger of the two motors recommended for the PT-19.

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Re: Inexpensive Timer
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2009, 12:52:19 AM »
LOOK Epilots :

you cant get good wine cheap !

buy a dedicated control line or F2B timer

such as Will Hubins

Inexpensive means lower quality and must pay more

in the end

Vincent

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Re: Inexpensive Timer
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2009, 04:43:20 AM »
Inexpensive isnt neccesary low quality, in my case it was lack of features. The ZTron Simple timer seems to be a high quality product, the thing I didnt like was the short arming sequence (5 seconds) and the lack of a dedicated start button. I now build my own timers and get the features I want. However, if I would buy a timer it would most probably be one from Mr. Hubin. From what I understand, Mr. Hubins timers dont have small DIP switches and complicated setup procedures, but instead use potentiometers to do the setup (way much better in my opinion).

Just my $0.02

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