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Offline Keith Renecle

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How tight should the bearings go in?
« on: August 07, 2012, 11:40:45 PM »
Hi All, I tested a new Pulso 2826-10 motor (same as Cobra) a few days ago and was most impressed with the neat construction and smooth running. It is very close to the good old AXI 2826-10 and around 1/3rd the price. It uses a 15 mm ball-race at the rear and 2 x 10 mm ball-races up front. I decided to change the shaft so that I could use a bigger collet type of prop driver with an 8 mm shaft. It comes standard with a bolt-on prop driver with a 6 mm shaft and although this could have worked, it was a little short to get the prop in place. This was all fine, but I managed to damage one of the front bearings in the process. No problem........I had some good Japanese 10 mm bearings so it would be easy to replace the thing. That was the idea anyway. The bearings were in so tight that I damaged the others getting them out.

On the E-Max motors it's real easy to tap out the bearings, so the question now is....how tight should these bearings fit?? I know that on engines, very tight fitting bearings can be a problem as the heat gets up. I need to re-fit the new bearings now and I can make a tool to get them in dead straight but if they are so tight then surely the running heat will expand the metal a and squeeze them a bit?? Anybody have any suggestions? Thanks.

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Re: How tight should the bearings go in?
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2012, 01:43:54 AM »
Watch this video. . This should explain the right way to chane bearings in an outrunner.
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Re: How tight should the bearings go in?
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2012, 11:00:19 AM »
Thanks William, the youtube video is a bit big for me to download. Our highspeed internet is expensive here in Darkest Africa and I have a limit on my monthly cap. I don't have a real problem changing the bearings usually and I've made things to press them in properly. They are now replaced. I was just keen to hear from the experts and how tight the fit should be. Thanks.

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Re: How tight should the bearings go in?
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2012, 11:09:40 AM »
Keith,
I have destroyed bearings when removing them.  Not all the time but every once in a while.  Haven't had a problem with the replacements.
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Re: How tight should the bearings go in?
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2012, 12:50:57 PM »
Kieth,

Sorry to hear that you cannot view that video because it is a good one. When you say you tap the bearings out I wonder if that is hammer and drift punch?? The way I do it is to use a press (or in my case I use my drill press - not running of course). In the case of my Scorpion motors (may be a relative of the Cobra motors) the bearings come out easily so they are not a tight fit.
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Re: How tight should the bearings go in?
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2012, 01:09:26 PM »
Kieth,

Here are a couple of photos from the video. In this case an arbor press is used and a spare shaft that is smaller than the bearing inside diameter. I use a drill bit but most any rod smaller than the bearing hole will work. The rod/drill/shaft is tilted so that it presses on the outer race of the bearing and then the press is used to force the bearing out. I use a socket under the motor that is large enough to allow the bearing to drop into the socket.
« Last Edit: August 08, 2012, 04:34:00 PM by John Cralley »
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Re: How tight should the bearings go in?
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2012, 02:09:26 PM »
- that video shows removing bearing from scorpion motors, but they are IMHO too free (at least on my 3026), I had to glue them after few flights ... what I see on video I would say it goes out too easy ... however Keith you can choose lower quality so you can download it quicker also on slow connection

- bearing goes much easier if you heat motor to 100 dergrees C ... but do it ALWAYS with DISMOUNTER ROTOR (heat will damage magnets) ... I did it many times and removed even glued, it goes easy, if you have troubles, you can take 5mm metal rod and cut it lengthwise and open to something like Y ... so you can insert it inside the motor in direction of that uncut side and as it goes in, it will open inside the motor so you can use it for pressing in opposite direction

- bearing should fit by only hand, if the case is still warm and bearing cold, if you need press stronger, you will need tool to push outer ring and not inner, you risc damage of those small balls inside if you need press it by inner ring, those small 10mm bearing anyway does not survive too long

- I found it is not bad to open new bearing and replace grease by some very good high temp type, for example I use metanova F 1,5 and close it back ... or you can use liquid oil, with aditives (for example that sold by scorpion), which can be used also without opening, but it need periodical reoiling becuase that oil goes slowly out (and I hate oil in electric model :- ))) )

-when you close motor back, you shoud set axial free play at least 0,1mm (that is minimal) - that is for motors withou spring inside, for example AXI and MVVS, or you should use only gentle press if motor has spring ... too tight axial fit can stall heated motor (that free play gets tighter as motor heats up - it can kill bearing and cause burn of motor during one flight)

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Re: How tight should the bearings go in?
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2012, 07:34:33 PM »
Kieth,
 You can place the motor in a freezer for about an hour then heat the casing with a heat gun without getting the bearings hot. Then quickly tap the housing on a block of wood. The housing should swell enough to be looser than the cold bearings. The same technique will work for installing tight fitting bearings(freeze bearings and heat housing).
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Offline Keith Renecle

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Re: How tight should the bearings go in?
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2012, 11:37:05 PM »
Thanks for all the suggestions and pics. Thanks Igor, you actually answered my question about the bearings being too tight and then causing problems when the motor heats up. Where is the spring in the AXI and MVVS? I must have missed that one.

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Re: How tight should the bearings go in?
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2012, 12:12:39 AM »
No, I mean AXI and MVVS are without spring, so they need to set free play properly while assembling.

Spring washer is for example in Scorpion. Also In plettenberg, but plettenberg not needs to set free play, it has shaft free in axial direction and free play is equal to free play of that large bearing. So there are several ways how to do it, but in any case, bearings cannot be tight in axial direction.

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Re: How tight should the bearings go in?
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2012, 10:00:48 AM »
O.K. Thanks Igor, that makes a bit more sense to me now. My Pulso seems to be good again. I had a couple of flights today and it behaved well. It looks a bit small for that 12 x 6.5 EW pusher from Dennis but it runs fine with it. The weather is cool here now so I'll see when we get to Bulgaria in the heat.

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