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Offline Roy DeCamara

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OS Electric motors
« on: November 13, 2014, 10:44:06 PM »
Has anyone tried any of the OS electric outrunners??

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Re: OS Electric motors
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2014, 09:13:05 AM »
I have the 3820-960.  It is a solid built motor.  I am using in on my LA-5 scale ship.  I went to it because the cheep motor I started out with didn't want to run with a large (heavy) spinner required for scale.  The OS handled the spinner nicely.  The built in cooling fan seem to work well.  The only down side is that it is rear mounted only.  I have had mine apart and it is virtually impossible to reverse the shaft.  It has two flats on one end of the shaft that engage set screws in the end bell.  One could possible find a double ended shaft and machine the flats but I don't think it would be worth the effort.
The other downer is cost.  At $80 to $90 there are much better choices.  Lately I have had good luck with Cobra motors at $50 each.  In the $90 range the choices are great.

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Re: OS Electric motors
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2014, 10:09:03 PM »
It looks like you started out with a cheap China motor, I can see why you were having issues. Cobra is a nice choice, E-Flight or Turnagy Easy Match G series would have worked as well. They both can be changed to front mount as well.

Nice plane by the way.

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Re: OS Electric motors
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2014, 10:50:01 PM »
I have been flying the 3825-750 in a Legacy for two years, hundreds of trouble free flights. Using 3000 ma 5 cell batteries. Rear mounted with no problems, no noise, no indication of flexing. I have not taken it apart but I think it is a 3-bearing motor. The cooling fan on the front is a nice feature in tightly cowled models like most stunters. The price is reasonable for OS quality, in my opinion. Can't say the same for the two Axi motors that preceded it in the Legacy, one that threw a magnet and one that short circuited and burned out.

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Re: OS Electric motors
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2014, 05:11:49 AM »
I've settled for now on Cobra motors, They have a very large main bearing, can run safely to over 300 degrees F (Don't really foresee testing that out...), and come ready for front mounting (which I much prefer). They run quieter than any other motors I've tried. Cobra also has a very nice cooling fan available for its motors.

I buy my Cobra motors through Innov8tive Design.

Later - Bob Hunt

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Re: OS Electric motors
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2014, 12:28:37 PM »
Hi Bob:

I assume you would be using the Cobra 2826/10 or /12. Which do you favor? Would you be using 4 cell and 5 cell packs, respectively, for the 10 and 12?

Cobra does feature a picture of the main bearing, which as you say looks bigger than typical.

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Re: OS Electric motors
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2014, 02:20:06 PM »
Hi Mike:

I'm using the 2926-10 motor with a 4S 4,000 mAh 25C Hyperion pack. Works great!

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Re: OS Electric motors
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2014, 05:34:16 PM »
I use the 2826/12 with a 5 cell 2700mah 25C Thunder Power battery or a 5 cell 2450mah 35C Zippy Compact battery.  That works great too.
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Re: OS Electric motors
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2014, 05:09:08 PM »
I have been flying the 3825-750 in a Legacy for two years, hundreds of trouble free flights. Using 3000 ma 5 cell batteries. Rear mounted with no problems, no noise, no indication of flexing. I have not taken it apart but I think it is a 3-bearing motor. The cooling fan on the front is a nice feature in tightly cowled models like most stunters. The price is reasonable for OS quality, in my opinion. Can't say the same for the two Axi motors that preceded it in the Legacy, one that threw a magnet and one that short circuited and burned out.

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Re: OS Electric motors
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2014, 01:30:18 PM »
I use the 2826/12 with a 5 cell 2700mah 25C Thunder Power battery or a 5 cell 2450mah 35C Zippy Compact battery.  That works great too.

Just a little curious what size & weight plane you have this in?  

Cobra 2826-12   Max Continuous Power (5-cell Li-Po)  780 Watts
Cobra 2826-10   Max Continuous Power (5-cell Li-Po)  830 Watts
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Cobra 3520-12   Max Continuous Power (5-cell Li-Po)  1040 Watts

I use the Phoenix 45 on 5 cells for years now with no problem on about 52 ounce 570 sq in airplanes.  I'm using a Hubin FM-9 timer and Cobra 2826/12 motor with a APC 13 x 5.5 WEP cut down to 12". Launch RPM is about 9600.  I've launch at as high a RPM of 10,300 with this set up and still no problems.
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Re: OS Electric motors
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2014, 11:12:40 PM »
Joe,
Not sure what you are asking?
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Re: OS Electric motors
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2014, 09:21:47 AM »
Joe,
Not sure what you are asking?

The question was..   " what size & weight plane you have this in?  "

I got your answer from the other post:  "  about 52 ounce 570 sq in airplanes.  "

It seems the Cobra 2826-12 put out less power then the 2826-10 & the 3520-12.

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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2014, 12:04:45 PM »
The question was..   " what size & weight plane you have this in?  "

I got your answer from the other post:  "  about 52 ounce 570 sq in airplanes.  "

It seems the Cobra 2826-12 put out less power then the 2826-10 & the 3520-12.

It's not about the power.  I use the 2826/12 with a 5 cell battery to get the rpm range I need.  If I used a 5 cell battery with a 2626/10 the rpm would be too high.  We must match the Kv of the motor with the cell count of the battery to get into the range of the rpm we want to run at.
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Re: OS Electric motors
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2014, 12:36:59 PM »
It's not about the power.  I use the 2826/12 with a 5 cell battery to get the rpm range I need.  If I used a 5 cell battery with a 2626/10 the rpm would be too high.  We must match the Kv of the motor with the cell count of the battery to get into the range of the rpm we want to run at.

I knew there was something to that.. so could this motor power up a good .60 size ship like a SV-11 etc. (approx. 680 sq in / weights about 68oz) with a 13x5.5 apc or a 3-blade 11x5.5?   I have an E-flite 32 already and was looking for something lighter with the same performance, then I saw the Cobra 2826-12 (1.5oz lighter). 

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« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2014, 05:18:33 PM »
I knew there was something to that.. so could this motor power up a good .60 size ship like a SV-11 etc. (approx. 680 sq in / weights about 68oz) with a 13x5.5 apc or a 3-blade 11x5.5?   I have an E-flite 32 already and was looking for something lighter with the same performance, then I saw the Cobra 2826-12 (1.5oz lighter). 
Hang tight.  I'll get back to you later this evening.
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Re: OS Electric motors
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2014, 06:40:24 PM »
I knew there was something to that.. so could this motor power up a good .60 size ship like a SV-11 etc. (approx. 680 sq in / weights about 68oz) with a 13x5.5 apc or a 3-blade 11x5.5?   I have an E-flite 32 already and was looking for something lighter with the same performance, then I saw the Cobra 2826-12 (1.5oz lighter). 

At what line length and then what rpm and then what watts :)  I ended up with the Cobra 3520-14 after looking at the smaller lighter 28 series for 64-65 foot lines and 660 - 675 sq in.
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« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2014, 08:22:31 PM »
Joe,
Here is a spreadsheet that I use to figure out what a system would be capable of.  It has served me well for about 5 years now.  The shaded gray areas are cells that you input info in.  The rest of the spreadsheet is automatically filled in.  IMHO the 2826/12 motor would be too small for a 68 oz airplane.  Perhaps more suited to a 60 oz airplane max.

Watts per pound cell the minimum is 112.  I try for about 120.  It all depends on battery size, motor, prop, etc. 

The spreadsheet has your SV-11 numbers already plugged in.  Try experimenting with different weights, watts per pound, run time, etc to see how it all interacts.
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Re: OS Electric motors
« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2014, 08:37:17 AM »
At what line length and then what rpm and then what watts :)  I ended up with the Cobra 3520-14 after looking at the smaller lighter 28 series for 64-65 foot lines and 660 - 675 sq in.

It's for my first electric.. not quite done yet.  I'll probably start with 64' i-i.  The Cobra 2826-12 looks really small comparing to the E-flite 32.  not sure if it's even o.k. on an Oriental Plus (605 cu in).


Joe,
Here is a spreadsheet that I use to figure out what a system would be capable of.  It has served me well for about 5 years now.  The shaded gray areas are cells that you input info in.  The rest of the spreadsheet is automatically filled in.  IMHO the 2826/12 motor would be too small for a 68 oz airplane.  Perhaps more suited to a 60 oz airplane max.

Watts per pound cell the minimum is 112.  I try for about 120.  It all depends on battery size, motor, prop, etc. 

The spreadsheet has your SV-11 numbers already plugged in.  Try experimenting with different weights, watts per pound, run time, etc to see how it all interacts.

Thanks Crist.  will give it a try.. H^^   I'll probably stick with the E-flite 32 / 5S setup.  I originally thought the Cobra 2826-12 was similar to the AXI 2826-12, and because the 3520-14 wasn't lighter.. I got the 2826.



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Re: OS Electric motors
« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2014, 11:43:50 AM »
Just found this in the list your set up... now I'm a little confused.    D>K

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Legacy

65' .018 lines, Tom Morris hard-point handle.
66 oz.
Cobra 2826-12 Brushless motor. 780kv
APC 13x4e
Turnigy 45a "Trust" ESC
Zippy Flightmax 5s 20c 4000mAh pack
Running 5:50 with a z-tron timer, it finishes the pattern and has about 15-20 laps to spare, doing almost exactly 5 second laps and a little under 2700mAh goes back into the packs.  
100% power full time.

So after Flying the Legacy a few more times I figured I'd update a few things.  When I wrote it was running 100% power all I knew was that it was running at the max the timer could make it go, it turns out that the motor is mechanically limited with a 5s pack at about 10800 rpm so it was reaching that at about 82% of what the esc had in its throttle curve.  Any way, I now have it flying what feels like a very slow 5.3 second lap compared to the 5 second laps it was doing before. Thank you to everyone who made suggestions on how to improve it and a very special thanks to Mike Palko for all of his help in getting it off the ground in the first place!
 

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