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Offline Matt Piatkowski

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Front mount for electric motors
« on: September 29, 2017, 01:25:07 PM »
Hello,
I am considering front mounting Cobra3815/18 to the double sided copper clad laminate that will constitute the firewall.

The green part of the motor (stator) will touch the copper cladding (heat sink) directly for better heat dispersion. The motor will be mounted with four screws to the firewall.

Your comments are appreciated?

Thank you,
M

Offline Wolfgang Nieuwkamp

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Re: Front mount for electric motors
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2017, 01:51:04 PM »
Since the cladding is very thin, the cooling effect will be minimal.
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Wolfgang

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Re: Front mount for electric motors
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2017, 02:21:04 AM »
Hi Matt,

I use the same motor than you and in my plane it doesn't really get hot. I fly 6 cells and Igors 12x5 narrow blade 3-blade prop, use a 2200 mAh battery only and at 5.2 sec/lap energy consumption isn't that high, thus, the motor as well remains cool. In comparison, an AXI with same weight and same rpm/V but less diameter gets much hotter. I believe that more diameter helps with dissipating heat at our low revs. The slightly larger diameter of the Cobra 3515/18 also helps internal cooling.

I have however, when building also thought about using a heat sink formy front mounted Cobra and what I did was using a 2" wide aluminium U-profile that has approx. 1.5" long sides. These sides are then glued against the plywood reinforced balsa fuselage sides. The height of that piece of aluminium is approx the diameter of the Cobra, ca. 42 mm. I have drilled many small holes into the sides to give enough surface and contact for glueing aluminium to plywood.

I hope you can imagine how I mounted the Cobra-motor but as I said, it is uncritical with temperature, I even don't have a fan mounted. The aluminium heat sink stillhelps a bith though, maybe you fly in warmer spheres then Wolfgang and me here in Germany.

Christoph

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Re: Front mount for electric motors
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2017, 07:05:18 AM »
Matt,
With the front mount motors make sure you have the firewall secure in the fuse sides with some small screws. If the mount wall is thin (1/8") this is really important as it can break just a simple glue joint (a friend had two pull lose). I use 3/16" multi layer plywood with screws in through the 1/32 plywood doubler. One of the best mounts I seen is from Tom Morris, it uses 3/16" ply the is screwed to maple mounts that are shaped and thinned for lightness. Remember this is like putting a 45 IC and we sometimes think that because there is minimal vibration we don't need the strength. HP is HP and the prop forces are always there just like IC's. Build the nose strong!!!

Best,     DennisT

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Re: Front mount for electric motors
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2017, 11:39:10 AM »
Hi Christoph,
Please see the attached.
Is this what you use?

If yes: what is the thickness of the material used for the mount (bracket)? About 2 mm. I assume.

If the front part of the bracket is extended down, say 1", this extension can be used as a very effective heat sink. Imagine this extension cut vertically into four or five narrow rectangular fins and than twisting these 90 degrees. Such fins will be exposed to the incoming air and, at the same time, the air resistance will be reasonably minimized. Igor designed something like that some time ago - please see the second attachment.

What are you using your Cobra3515/18 for? What is the RTF weight of the plane?

Hi Dennis,
I use two 3.25" long, 0.25"x0.25" maple mounts epoxied to the 1/64 ply doublers that are epoxied to 3/32 medium balsa fuselage sides in my eParrot.
The mounts are thinned gradually from front to aft to save weight.
The firewall (0.18" ply-epoxy laminate) is screwed to these mounts using two 1" long aluminum wood screws and the entire length of the firewall (3") is epoxied to the 1/64" ply. In addition, four maple beams having the triangular cross-section (perpendicular sides: 0.2"x0.2") and 3" length are epoxied on both sides of the firewall-ply interface.

When the fuse front of eParrot was built like that and closed with the bottom and top 3/32 medium balsa, it created the tube that easily survives the motor's torque and the gyroscopic moments in sharp corners. I am using Cobra 2820/12 and APC Multirotor 11x5.5 prop on 4S 3000 mAh battery.

Regards,
M


Offline Christoph Holtermann

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Re: Front mount for electric motors
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2017, 02:26:09 AM »
Hi Matt,

yes, your sketch is correct, also the aluminium profile is exactly 2mm in thickness. I bought one meter of it some time ago.

The plywood doubler is a little less than 1/32", I use 0.6mm all way from front to behind the wing because my wing is detachable.

Your idea of extending the engine mount downwards to use this material as fins is excellent if you think your motor needs this extra cooling.

My Cobra 3515/18 is used in a conventional size plane, approx. 630sq", model weight is 59 ounces.
I used an even smaller Kontronik Kora 15-16 that weighed only 150 grams (but same large outer diameter as the Cobra) when I used the smaller 11" 3 blade prop at 11,000 rpm but with the larger 12x5 prop the rpm is less and thus also the fan-effect from the internal fan. That's why I changed from Kontronik to Cobra. Also the small Kontronik didn't really need extra cooling.

That said, my motor is in a separate compartment with its own cooling air intake and exhaust. The controller and battery get air independently.

Christoph


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