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Brushless Motors, Inn Runner VS. Out Runner?
« on: October 12, 2013, 12:14:57 AM »
Brushless Motors,

Inn Runner VS. Out Runner?

What's your choice and why?

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Re: Brushless Motors, Inn Runner VS. Out Runner?
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2013, 07:48:16 AM »
Out Runner.  They work!

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Re: Brushless Motors, Inn Runner VS. Out Runner?
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2013, 08:48:26 AM »
Being ignorant about electric motors,  what is the main difference?
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Re: Brushless Motors, Inn Runner VS. Out Runner?
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2013, 10:02:17 AM »
In-runners run at much higher RPM than out-runners, and don't have near the torque. In-runners are frequently mated up with a gearbox to increase their torque, exceptions being applications like EDF jets that need very high rpm. In-runners are smaller dia. and longer length than out-runners and have higher kv ratings. For stunt applications out-runners turn our kind of props at our kind of r's.  :)
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Re: Brushless Motors, Inn Runner VS. Out Runner?
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2013, 10:22:53 AM »
Out runners are rotary.   The stator spins and the rotor is stationary. 
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Re: Brushless Motors, Inn Runner VS. Out Runner?
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2013, 10:24:12 AM »
Simplified. . . .
Inrunners are constructed with the magnets attached directly to the shaft, which is surrounded by the copper windings attached to the case which remains stationary. Because the magnets are close to the shaft it spins very quickly. This means they produce high rpm but low torque. Inrunners are efficient and powerful, but need a gearbox to spin large propellers. Inrunners are best suited for use with smaller propellers for faster flying speeds. (Or Ducted Fan models for example).

Outrunners are constructed with the copper windings on the inside. The shaft is attached to the casing that contains the magnets which spins around the copper windings. Because the extra weight of the bell and magnets are further out from the shaft it acts like a flywheel. In general, outrunners have a lower rpm but a higher torque than inrunners. This higher torque enables an outrunner to spin a larger prop.

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Re: Brushless Motors, Inn Runner VS. Out Runner?
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2013, 11:54:20 AM »
I use out runners for CL scale since I don't need high rpm.

E-flite now makes two E25 out runner motors. The lower KV motor spins large props at low rpm, great for cl scale models that don't fly fast.

The higher KV out runner motor spins smaller props which creates more power. It also needs  bigger speed control. This motor is designed for racing events.

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Re: Brushless Motors, Inn Runner VS. Out Runner?
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2013, 01:53:25 PM »
Hello Charles,
When all is said and done, the geared inrunner will be set up for the same KV (at the pro) as the outrunners we use now.
It would be more efficient, weigh about the same, but ...
Nobody makes a gearbox that will survive CL Stunt cornering loads.
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Re: Brushless Motors, Inn Runner VS. Out Runner?
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2013, 09:07:27 PM »
Somewhere I saw an interesting web page on what appeared to be a large diamter in-runner, home-made only.  The specs showed impressive torque and low Kv- 870 maybe.  It wasn't particularly heavy because the stator/magnets were fairly short.  But is supposedly had ~90% efficiency,.


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Re: Brushless Motors, Inn Runner VS. Out Runner?
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2013, 08:50:11 AM »
Hi Phil,
All these motors have an efficiency peak, and it is often better than 90% ... but that happens at very light loads and low current.
It may just be a matter of specs-manship. Still, if you remember where you saw it, flag us.
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Re: Brushless Motors, Inn Runner VS. Out Runner?
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2013, 06:39:02 AM »
It appears as though some have tried electric and have gone back to IC.

Wonder why that is?

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