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Offline Geoff Newborn

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Electric Tutor Project
« on: September 02, 2017, 08:35:30 AM »
Hi all,
I promised an update on my electric Tutor build and the project has progressed to test flights.

But what started out as a simple electric conversion of a kit (given by a close friend) back in June turned into a major project.
As mentioned in my post back in June I am returning to C/L after an absence of many decades, and many thanks to all who offered their advice on suitable power trains for my Tutor.

Unfortunately the donated kit was missing the plan and a number of essential parts.
I managed to download a PDF of the plan from the internet and traced it into AutoCAD with a view to making the missing parts, but I had set myself a target weight of 32oz and on closer inspection most of the wood in the kit was very heavy, so the decision was made to start from scratch, build in some extra lightness and incorporate the Dave Hemstrought mods that I discovered whilst searching for the original plan.

I spent most of July producing cutting files for my homemade CNC router and August gluing it all together.

What I now have is a very hybrid Tutor
Specs are :-
Span - 47"
Area - 435sq"
Weight - shade under 34oz (with 4S 2200mAh Lipo)
Power train is a Turnigy D3536/5 1450Kv Outrunner, APC 9x4.5 Eprop, Turnigy Rotostar 45A ESC and 4S 2200 25C Lipo.

Because I will be mainly flying alone and I still suffer from dizziness I decided to build a control system, that will allow me to land when I need to, instead of using a timer I piggybacked a 2.4Ghz receiver on the ESC and built a C/L handle with an inbuilt Tx giving on/off control, throttle and power boost.

Like I mentioned earlier this turned into a MAJOR project.

I have had a couple of flying session on 52ft lines, it circulates like a rat racer and pulls like a train on full throttle, luckily I can throttle back and tame the beast, but I haven't managed to do anything but level flight and some climbs and dives.
It seems very stable and even a little insensitive so maybe it is nose heavy or needs more throw on the elevator

I think my next moves are to try 60ft lines, experiment with the C of G and play with the ESC governor  (maybe try a different motor and prop with a lower Kv.)

Any advice and comments will be gratefully accepted.

Regards Geoff

PS hope the pics I attached appear

Offline Keith Renecle

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Re: Electric Tutor Project
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2017, 11:46:54 PM »
Hi Geoff,
Such a neat job! That low weight is also amazing with that battery. When you decide to go with a timer setup, then for a 4S battery choose a motor with a Kv from around 900 to around 980 and a weight of 140~150 grams. The magic prop is the APC 11 x 5.5 E on 60 ft. (eyelet to eyelet) lines. I sometimes test stunter's with an R/C system but to fly a neat pattern the timer setup with a constant rpm governor system is a lot easier. There is a lot of good info on this forum, and if you're stuck just ask and you'll get all the help you need.

Keith R
« Last Edit: September 15, 2017, 11:42:34 PM by Keith Renecle »
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Offline Geoff Newborn

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Re: Electric Tutor Project
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2017, 02:32:10 PM »
Hi MM, thanks for the nice comment, but when I look at the pictures I realise they all look the same. I must really try and think up a new colour scheme for the next one.

Geoff

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Re: Electric Tutor Project
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2017, 02:43:30 PM »
Hi Keith,
thanks for the comments and advice, quite a lot of thought and effort went into keeping the weight down.
A new 910 kv motor is on order along with longer lines, do you think there is any advantage in changing to a reverse rotation propeller (clockwise when looking from the front)?

Regards.
Geoff

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Re: Electric Tutor Project
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2017, 11:49:12 PM »
Hi Geoff,
I've used many pusher props (CW from the front) and have not found any real advantage. I have found a few disadvantages when the prop or thrust line is above the wing like in the case of your model. I tend to build in-line models and they work o.k with the pushers, but once properly trimmed with both props, I don't see any real advantage with pushers besides maybe a bit more outward pull on take-off. Others may answer differently though.

Keith
« Last Edit: September 16, 2017, 08:53:47 AM by Keith Renecle »
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Offline Geoff Newborn

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Re: Electric Tutor Project
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2017, 01:50:01 AM »
Hi Guys,
The Tutor project is coming along, I have increased the elevator throw in relation to the flap and moved the battery slightly backwards. It felt more responsive and I managed my first loops in over 30 years.

But the big leap forward was the new motor (received yesterday), the old one was 1450 kv with a 9x4.5 prop new one is 910kv with a 11x5.5 reverse rotation, flew this morning and lap time is much slower around 5sec which gives the old brain cells time to work. (Thanks Keith for the good advice.)

Managed consecutive loops, then got real brave and went for the lazy eights, then the wing over, really enjoyed feeling it coming back after all these years. (much more fun than RC)

Hope to get new batteries today, so I can have more than one flight.

Thanks to all for the help getting this old control liner back into the fold.

Regards Geoff.   
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Re: Electric Tutor Project
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2017, 01:08:15 PM »
Now you know why my RC stuff is collecting dust.   Glad the plane is working for you. H^^
John E. "DOC" Holliday
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