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Offline Andrew Borgogna

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Electric 1/2 Pathfinder is looking very good.
« on: April 01, 2011, 03:32:12 PM »
Well guys I have finally got the 1/2a Pathfinder flying to the point where I can compete with it.  First I want to thank Dennis Adamisin for all his help.  With out it I would still be wondering in the desert.  The process involved coming up with a power package that made the project work.  Dennis was a great help in this area, I am using his motor, prop, battery recommendation.  I supplied the ESC and beyond that it was pulling weight out of the plane and getting the line length correct.  Antone Kephart was very helpful in pointing out places to pull weight out and Larry Renger was very helpful in getting the line length correct for Pathfinder.  So what am I using?
1.  Basic Brodak 1/2a Pathfinder built as light as possible.
2.  38amp CC Thunderbird ESC, I originally used a 18amp ESC but it burned out after a few flights.
3.  1300 and 1350 mah Li Pol batteries, by looking around I was able to find batteries that were 2.5Oz's lighter than what I originally used.
4.  45 foot eyelet to eyelet line length.

The all up weight of the plane is 15 Oz's, to put things in perspective just changing the prop hub and cutting the wires between the motor, ESC, and battery to their minimum length reduced the weight of the plane by 1 full oz.  May not sound like much but every ounce counts.  Anyway I had a couple of other flyer's from the club give it a try today they were pleased with how it performed. 

Still have some fine tweeking to do, but things are looking really good.
Andy
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Re: Electric 1/2 Pathfinder is looking very good.
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2011, 05:30:45 PM »
Andrew, I think that makes you a -- pathfinder.

More pictures would be nice, as well as details of how you built all that lightness in.  What did you cover with?
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Re: Electric 1/2 Pathfinder is looking very good.
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2011, 05:47:41 PM »
THANKS for the shout-out Andy, but there is no substitute for doing the work - and you worked hard to bring this one "home"  The PF is a great bird, and I'd like to try that power system in some other 1/2A's like the Hunter Stunter, Pinto and almost ANYTHING the DesignMan has in mind.

I had not noticed your lightened out fuse before - AWESOME.  I think I should also follow your advice and clean up my wiring and lose all the brass bullet connectors for a tidy weight save.

What I like about the PF is that it really flies like a real stunt model - no need to flog or finesse it - just go fly!  I am hoping my new Wee Duper Zilch offers similar manners for OTS...

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Re: Electric 1/2 Pathfinder is looking very good.
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2011, 11:13:35 AM »
Hi guys
Larry (AKA Designman) agrees that the power package would be correct for any number of 1/2a designs.  All of the cut outs for lightness are called out on the plans, I would love to take credit but that goes to Gordon Delany.  The covering is Polyspan and just a couple of coats of clear butyerate dope.  The wheels are wood core with rubber tubing for the tire.

Dennis you are correct about the basic design of the Pathfinder.  Gordy did a great job on this family of stunt planes, one thing that Larry and John said is the plane is symmetrical inside and outside loops are the same.  Also Larry mentioned that inverted speed was exactly the same as upright, don't have to move the battery up or down ;D.  As I was adjusting the flight time and power setting down to increase battery life we noticed that the difference between beginning lap times and ending lap times reduced to 2/10 of a second.  I point this out because in the beginning when the plane was much heavier I had the power wick turned up to full power.  The difference in lap times was a full second from beginning to end was a full second.  We are planning to go flying on Monday (all electric) at the local park.  Larry hopes to have the Skysport E repaired with a new motor mounting bracket.  It will be the first time we have had two electric control line park fliers.
Andy
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Re: Electric 1/2 Pathfinder is looking very good.
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2011, 10:22:30 AM »
Yesterday morning Larry and I went flying at a local park.  This plane only gets better and better with each trim tweak.  I have four batteries and we got four good flights in the plane.  I am continuing to adjust the flight length time to minimize the battery usage.  I watched Larry put in one of the best 1/2a pattern flights I have ever seen him fly, and this is a guy that only flys 1/2a.   Made another minor trim tweak following yesterdays flying and look forward to more fun with this plane.
Andy ;D
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Re: Electric 1/2 Pathfinder is looking very good.
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2011, 10:58:49 AM »
Yea, verilly and forsooth, I have flown it and it is GOOD!   y1  Power is excellent everywhere, and we are down to fine tuning inside vs. outside cornering, line leadout position and tip weight.  Corners are sharp with no bobble or mush.  NICE!  Dang, and to think I GAVE this plane to Andy (Well, I did smoosh several of his other ones, so I owed him). He did do all the final assembly, finishing and modifications.

On the electric Sky Sport front, I used too weak a material for the motor mount combined with a couple of bad glue joints.  :-[ (No blood, but it was a near thing when the motor flew out of the plane!) So no flight on that model yesterday.  I hope to build a new mount today.
Think S.M.A.L.L. y'all and, it's all good, CL, FF and RC!

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Re: Electric 1/2 Pathfinder is looking very good.
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2011, 01:23:24 PM »
OOPS!  It turns out that a 7" diameter LH prop, small cross-section wheels and stock landing gear can cause disaster on a dirt surface.  We were flying off a ball diamond, which is pretty sandy material.  The nose wheel dug in, the prop tip hit the dirt and turned the model about 45 degrees to the left.  Ouch!  Fortunately, it stayed on the ground and tumbled when it hit the grass.  The battery tore loose, so no problem with frying the motor, esc and battery.  Fuselage broke just behind the wing, and one battery hook pulled out.  Easy repairs, and easy to fix the problem.....now that we are aware of it.   HB~>

Darn, and the trim was just starting to be REALLY good.
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Re: Electric 1/2 Pathfinder is looking very good.
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2011, 03:50:27 PM »
..and the official scorer ruled "E-5"?

I have only flown mine from a hand launch. but Archie flew it from the L-pad down in Muncie...
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Re: Electric 1/2 Pathfinder is looking very good.
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2011, 08:50:35 PM »
Well it could have been much worst.  If the motor had stalled I am sure I would have lost the ESC and the motor and maybe a battery.  As it turned out the damage was minor and is now all repaired and ready to fly.  Before I fly on the baseball infield again I am changing the landing gear to add fatter tires and longer wheel struts.  The gear is fine for hard surface but not the surface we have at the park.  Oh well live and learn.  Dennis, Larry actually mentioned hand launch the other day and I took a dim view of the idea.  Once again I should have listen to the master, he is right far more than he is wrong. y1
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Re: Electric 1/2 Pathfinder is looking very good.
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2011, 11:34:25 PM »
Listen and learn, grasshopper!  VD~
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Re: Electric 1/2 Pathfinder is looking very good.
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2011, 12:55:44 AM »
Looking good guys... what motor and prop are you using?  Have you listed it in "List your setup" yet?

I'll be flying my full size Electric Pathfinder at the Victorian State Champs next weekend... will let you know how I get on.

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Re: Electric 1/2 Pathfinder is looking very good.
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2011, 03:24:54 PM »
Hi Warren
No I have not yet put my setup in the list.  I will do that ASAP.  Basically I copied Dennis Adamisin 1/2a Pathfinder that's already listed, buy you are right I should and will list mine.  Hope you have good results with your full size Pathfinder. Much credit goes to Gordy for his design, the plane is basically a very good design.
Andy
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