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E-flite 25 & 5S
« on: July 25, 2013, 11:45:00 AM »
Just wondering if the E-flite 25 would work well with 5S (18.5v) batt? 

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Re: E-flite 25 & 5S
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2013, 02:17:32 PM »
Just wondering if the E-flite 25 would work well with 5S (18.5v) batt? 

Hi Joe

No from what I have seen the KV is too high, you need a motor around 700 KV or so . The  2 E-flites  are 870 and 1250kv ,  I had previously asked about this for one of the HP motors I sell .
The E-Flite 32 is good for a 5S battery though.

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Re: E-flite 25 & 5S
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2013, 05:36:53 PM »
Hi Joe

No from what I have seen the KV is too high, you need a motor around 700 KV or so . The  2 E-flites  are 870 and 1250kv ,  I had previously asked about this for one of the HP motors I sell .
The E-Flite 32 is good for a 5S battery though.

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Thanks Randy.   I was told to use a E-flite 25 on the Legacy... but I already have a 32 & 5S batt that was originally bought for a SV-11 project, except the deal fell through.

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Re: E-flite 25 & 5S
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2013, 04:45:22 PM »
Look on the e-flite web site but the E25 is only rated for a 4S, the E32 is rated for a 3S-5S battery. Great running motors I have both in some CL scale models.

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Re: E-flite 25 & 5S
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2013, 08:27:29 AM »
Yes, it works. Warren Tiahrt is doing just that in Tucson right now. Works much better than the 4S he previously had in there.

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Re: E-flite 25 & 5S
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2015, 06:13:52 PM »
Yes, it works. Warren Tiahrt is doing just that in Tucson right now. Works much better than the 4S he previously had in there.

sorry to bring back such an old post..  I was just a little curious what prop Warren Tiahrt used with the 5S setup? (Size, Pitch, 2 or 3 blades etc. ) and approx what rpm range.  also would you know if this setup has enough power for approx a 68 oz plane ?
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Re: E-flite 25 & 5S
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2015, 10:12:06 AM »
Look on the e-flite web site but the E25 is only rated for a 4S, the E32 is rated for a 3S-5S battery. Great running motors I have both in some CL scale models.

This has been chewed over before (or maybe after, since this is an old thread): the cell count is first an RPM limitation; in a CL application where the RPM is limited and "full throttle" is not allowed, then going to a 5S shouldn't be an issue.  If you were to go 8S or something ridiculous then there are other limitations, but even those could be overcome with a purpose-designed ESC.

Also, if you're willing to keep a close watch on bearings and possible resonances in the bell, you can always spin a motor faster than the factory recommends.  Your motor life may be diminished, but while it's working it should be great.
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Re: E-flite 25 & 5S
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2015, 08:51:43 AM »
This has been chewed over before (or maybe after, since this is an old thread): the cell count is first an RPM limitation; in a CL application where the RPM is limited and "full throttle" is not allowed, then going to a 5S shouldn't be an issue.  If you were to go 8S or something ridiculous then there are other limitations, but even those could be overcome with a purpose-designed ESC.

so,5S or even 6S should be fine with the 25 ?..  but how about the torque curve.. in comparison to a E-flite 32 & Cobra 3520-12 etc.  D>K


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Re: E-flite 25 & 5S
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2015, 12:52:25 AM »
Hi Joe,
The Power 25 is basically a 4 cell motor, but as others have reported it can work on 5 cells as well, BUT.... it is not an efficient system because the esc will be throttled back quite far out of its "happy band" which is close to max and still allows for a good bit of headroom for the governor to function. The esc will get hotter when drawing high power at lower throttle settings because the output FET power transistors will be not be turned on as much so they absorb a lot more power than necessary. Some have done this and just used a bigger esc to handle the extra power, but the whole idea is to have an efficient overall power package, and that is why it is important to use a motor with the correct windings for a certain voltage.

Using more voltage, as in more cells, certainly brings down the overall current for the same amount of power (watts), but this has to be balanced with the right motor as well to create the most efficient system. The prop of course and running rpm is also included in this equation. For example if you used a much finer pitch prop on 5 cells, you may just end up in a better place, so it could work that way, but like I say, it is not ideal. You will be better off using a lower Kv motor like somewhere in the 680 to 750 range.

Recently I think that one of the most useful sets of data are the pro charts from the Cobra motors on their website. They show tests of each motor with all possible props and battery cell counts. So find a similar motor to the Power 25 like the 2826-10 for example, and have a look at the data. Just note that the figures are for a full throttle setting and we typically operate lower. What you will see however is that as you go up in voltage to 5 or even 6 cells, then the prop gets smaller and has a finer pitch. My AXI 2826-10 has the same specs as the Cobra and I run a 12 x 6 prop at around 9000 rpm. The system is happy like that.

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Re: E-flite 25 & 5S
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2015, 08:04:28 AM »
Hi Joe,
The Power 25 is basically a 4 cell motor, but as others have reported it can work on 5 cells as well, BUT.... it is not an efficient system because the esc will be throttled back quite far out of its "happy band" which is close to max and still allows for a good bit of headroom for the governor to function. The esc will get hotter when drawing high power at lower throttle settings because the output FET power transistors will be not be turned on as much so they absorb a lot more power than necessary. Some have done this and just used a bigger esc to handle the extra power, but the whole idea is to have an efficient overall power package, and that is why it is important to use a motor with the correct windings for a certain voltage.

Using more voltage, as in more cells, certainly brings down the overall current for the same amount of power (watts), but this has to be balanced with the right motor as well to create the most efficient system. The prop of course and running rpm is also included in this equation. For example if you used a much finer pitch prop on 5 cells, you may just end up in a better place, so it could work that way, but like I say, it is not ideal. You will be better off using a lower Kv motor like somewhere in the 680 to 750 range.

Recently I think that one of the most useful sets of data are the pro charts from the Cobra motors on their website. They show tests of each motor with all possible props and battery cell counts. So find a similar motor to the Power 25 like the 2826-10 for example, and have a look at the data. Just note that the figures are for a full throttle setting and we typically operate lower. What you will see however is that as you go up in voltage to 5 or even 6 cells, then the prop gets smaller and has a finer pitch. My AXI 2826-10 has the same specs as the Cobra and I run a 12 x 6 prop at around 9000 rpm. The system is happy like that.

Keith R

Thanks Keith.  Great insight!   H^^

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