Author Topic: CC ICE 50 ? (Read 2034 times)

Vincent Corwell · « **on:** January 18, 2011, 02:29:26 AM »

Is this the control line version please ?

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXXXT8&P=7

What does the ICE stand for please ?

Vincent

William DeMauro · « **Reply #1 on:** January 18, 2011, 03:41:23 AM »

Most of us use the Ice lite series. All Ice and Pheonix speed controllers can be used for both CL and RC, it just depends on the software loaded. By the way Todd's Models.com sells them for less.

Robertc · « **Reply #2 on:** January 18, 2011, 08:34:55 AM »

Yes, that Phoenix ICE controller can be used for C/L. You will need to get the "Castle Link" cord as
well to program it. Software download is on Castle Creation's web site. To get an idea as to what settings,
go to "List Your Set Up" at the top of "Getting All Amp'ed UP".

Rodrigo Mansano · « **Reply #3 on:** January 18, 2011, 04:41:19 PM »

Hi, maybe this is a better choice for linking the esc to the computer:

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXYWV1&P=SM

You can use it at the field, for example to reverse the motor, and at home to download and setup esc!

Rodrigo Mansano
Brazil

Dennis Toth · « **Reply #4 on:** January 27, 2011, 09:09:18 PM »

Guys,
When mounting the ICE unit can you add Velcro to the top (name plate) side for mounting?

Best, DennisT

WhittleN · « **Reply #5 on:** January 28, 2011, 01:42:02 PM »

Guys
If you are interested in using the CC ICE 50, I have written a “cookbook” for the use of this ESC, 14 Pole motor and FM-9 timers. Uwe and Claudia Kehnen have posted it on their fabulous Fesselflug web site. Some really smart folks have helped me write this document including none other than Dean Pappas, the president of Castle Creations, Will Hubin and Peter Germann just to name drop a few.
http://www.fesselflug.eu/html/english_home.html
Hope you enjoy it.
Norm Whittle

Rudy Taube · « **Reply #6 on:** January 28, 2011, 09:09:51 PM »

Norm,

This is GREAT! Your right, this will be a big help for beginners and a good review for experienced E-CLPA flyers. Thank You. ...... I vote that you get a 20 point bonus at your next three contests for your work!

Regards,

John Cralley · « **Reply #7 on:** January 28, 2011, 09:23:16 PM »

This link lets you directly download Norman's "cookbook" as a PDF file to save on your computer or to print out.
Great job Norman!!

http://www.fesselflug.eu/dokumente/final_esc_81-2.pdf

John

Dennis Toth · « **Reply #8 on:** January 29, 2011, 10:34:21 AM »

John,
Thanks for posting the link and writing the article. The ICE series of ECS's is interesting with their built-in data logger. Question - if you only want to use the ESC to control the motor functions can you turn off the data logger or just not set anything? How do you clear the data and get data from a new flight? Can you freeze and hold a particular set of data without down loading right after the flight?

Best, DennisT

John Cralley · « **Reply #9 on:** January 29, 2011, 06:40:35 PM »

Dennis,

I have an ICE 50 but have not cranked it up yet. We are snowbound here for the next couple of months and anyway Norman or others that have used the ICE ESCs are the ones to answer your questions.

WhittleN · « **Reply #10 on:** January 29, 2011, 07:35:11 PM »

DennisT

I think you meant Norm but John will do. Yes, you can turn off the data logger. If you want to only log one flight and save it then you would need a computer to reprogram the ESC at the field. The ESC has 24 K of memory for data logging so once the memory is full it stops recording. This would be an alternative to taking a computer to the field. At home you can download the data and put it in a File folder for a particular airplane. You can then view each flight separately or all flights at once - The possibilities are endless. Mr. Peter Germann does this to look at his individual maneuvers and analyze them.

Guys
Thanks for the kind words about my Cookbook. Keith Varley was very helpful by setting up his airplane using the Cookbook as a proof.

Norm

Dennis Toth · « **Reply #11 on:** January 31, 2011, 07:50:51 AM »

Norm,
Sorry about the mix-up. Besides having the built in data logger and an extra 5 amps capacity is there any other features that make the ICE 50 worth using over say the Phoenix 45?

Seems the PHX 45 does what we need for control and weighs less.

Best, DennisT

WhittleN · « **Reply #12 on:** January 31, 2011, 06:36:28 PM »

No, if I had a Phoenix 45, I would not go out and buy an new ICE Lite 50. Unless I really wanted to do Data Logging.

Norm

Dean Pappas · « **Reply #13 on:** February 01, 2011, 03:26:23 PM »

You all probably know by now, but the Cookbook is posted in the sticky thread above!
Dean

John Cralley · « **Reply #14 on:** February 01, 2011, 08:26:24 PM »

Quote from: RODRIGO MANSANO on January 18, 2011, 04:41:19 PM

Hi, maybe this is a better choice for linking the esc to the computer:

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXYWV1&P=SM

You can use it at the field, for example to reverse the motor, and at home to download and setup esc!

Rodrigo Mansano
Brazil

Rodrigo,

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that the "Field Programmer" does not allow you to change some parameters that are useful for Control Line mode in the Phoenix ESCs. I seem to recall that this was the case for the "Set RPM" mode under the Control Line mode of a Phoenix.

Since I have NO experience with the "Field Programmer," I hope some one that does have experience will chime in here to correct me and or tell us if it is indeed suitable for programming our settings.

John

WhittleN · « **Reply #15 on:** February 02, 2011, 06:49:45 AM »

John
I have some experience with the Field Link. One of the problems with it is that once you set any function to “Custom” it takes that function away from the Field Link. It is good to reverse the motor at the field. But usually I run everything in my workshop before I go to the field. If you have invested in one, then it can be used as an interface between the computer and the ESC for programming. If you can make do with standard settings on the ESC it can change those at the field with ease. Cut off Voltage, timing, Governor Gain… works well as long as you don’t have a need for “Custom” settings.
Norm

Vincent Corwell · « **Reply #16 on:** February 04, 2011, 01:09:11 AM »

On my Vector with AXI 2826/10, FM-9, 12 x 6 APC E-R prop

would the cookbook settings be the same please ?

Vincent

WhittleN · « **Reply #17 on:** February 04, 2011, 05:04:00 PM »

Vincent
The cookbook settings would be very close. If you use a 4S battery then voltage would change and with a 12 X6 lower RPM. Everything else the same. Of course you may try tuning after a few successful flights. I suggest a few 2 min flights to get lap times correct and to make sure it is flying wing level and so forth.

Norm

Dean Pappas · « **Reply #18 on:** February 05, 2011, 08:49:17 PM »

Quote from: WhittleN on January 29, 2011, 07:35:11 PM

Yes, you can turn off the data logger. If you want to only log one flight and save it then you would need a computer to reprogram the ESC at the field.

Norm

Hi Gang,
Actually, if you are not going to look at the data, then it is advisable to turn the datalogger off.

With less to do, under some conditions, the processor actually does better at keeping up with the demands of both the timing commutation and RPM governing routines. Processor overload has only been observed with very, very high current setups (85A) where the digital fliter is working very hard to remove switching noise from the back EMF signal, and it manifests itself as a bad commutation SQUEAL. Turning the logger has eliminated the problem. I will be very surprised if we see this in Stunt, but this issue has been on my radar for some time.

Regards,

Dean P.

WhittleN · « **Reply #19 on:** February 09, 2011, 07:14:26 AM »

Dean
Your post reminded me of an experience with the Castle ICE and Plettenberg combination. Last Oct after rebuilding the nose on my Sultan-e and replacing the AXI 2826/12 with the Plettenberg Orbit 20-16, I and everyone at the flying field noticed a “clicking” sound as the as the airplane flew. The clicking stopped about halfway through the 4th flight of the day. I did some research on the internet in the Electric Pattern forums and found they identified the same clicking noise. After checking the Data Logger I noticed that the Data Logger had run out of memory and stopped data logging during the 4th flight. And hence it stopped clicking. At the time I was running a 12k PWM and fairly advanced timing. The noise (during Data logging) went away after I switched to 8k PWM and reduced the timing advance. I suspect the ESC processor was taxed to the max at 12 k PWM and the advanced timing.
Norm

Dean Pappas · « **Reply #20 on:** February 09, 2011, 07:49:58 AM »

Yes Norm ...
The folks I know all call it "knocking" rather than clicking but that may have something to do with the 3-kiloWatts and 20" prop that were being utilized.
It does appear to be a symptom of the log file either being full or not yet being full. Yes, I know flyers who swear that the problem goes away after 1-1/2 flights where a thumbnail calculation sayds that the buffer should have filled up. perhaps that one added branch condition is the proverbial straw.

take care,
Dean

WhittleN · « **Reply #21 on:** February 09, 2011, 07:59:38 AM »

Yes, Knocking or Clicking I think we are describing the same thing. And I think it goes away when you turn off the data logger. My clicking seemed to occur at the sampling rate about 1 Hz.
Norm