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Offline Carl Mataratzo

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confused about first electric 1/2a
« on: November 01, 2011, 09:06:18 PM »
I have read so much about electrics recently trying to learn, but most of what is written concerns larger models.

I would like to try a 1/2a sized electric and am very confused about all the power / battery / charger / ecu / timer choices. would I be fine just ordering a motor package from Brodak or can someone suggest a better working package for something like a baby flight streak or a lil jumping bean?

what about the system used on the stevens aeromodel ring rat 100? http://www.stevensaero.com/StevensAero-RingRat-CL-100-Nostalgic-Electric-Control-Line-S-p-20213.html
can i get more flight time than 3 minutes on that model by using an 800mah 2s 20c rather than the suggested 240-350mAh? would i need to use a higher rated ecu?

I have searched other sites, like hobby king, but i have little idea what to look for. what happens when I need a 10a ecu but use an 18a ecu? how do i know what size charger i need?

sorry for all the questions, used to fly back when people used glow plugs.

carl




Offline Tim Wescott

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Re: confused about first electric 1/2a
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2011, 09:28:45 PM »
I'll let someone else answer for the question of a Brodak unit.  Everything that I say below is the same answer for CL and RC, which is a good thing -- I have yet to start flying electric CL.

Your best bet is to go for a similar setup for similar planes.  The easiest is to find a plane setup that works and duplicate everything; the "list your setup" thread is light on 1/2-A sized stuff, but it's there.  "Similar" means similar power rating and Kv rating for the motor, similar capacity and discharge rating for the battery, and similar current rating for the ESC.  All of this should be conditioned by the fact that the cheaper the equipment, the more the ratings will stray from cold, hard truth and into outright fantasy.

Beefing up the battery or the ESC is fine from an electrical standpoint, but it'll add weight.  It may not seem like much, but keep in mind that if you're building a 5oz model, 1/2 oz more weight is a 10% increase, and you'll feel it.

If you do use higher capacity batteries you don't need a bigger ESC -- the ESC needs to be big enough to handle the current, and a higher capacity battery isn't going to force more current through the system.  A bigger ESC won't hurt anything, but it'll add weight.

For charging little 2S packs almost any charger will do.  I suppose that there might be some oddball, cheap, "big boy" chargers that wouldn't go down that far -- but I'd be surprised.  I'd be more concerned with what I might want to do if I were going to move up to bigger planes later; if you contemplate flying 'full size' planes at some point, make sure that you get a charger that can handle a 4S or 5S pack (or just go cheap and resign yourself to needing another charger when the time comes). 

Also pay attention to the charger's power source.  Many of them only work off of 12V, which means that you either need to always charge them from your car or you need to get a 12V supply that works from the wall.  A charger that works from either 12V or the wall is going to cost more $$.  If you could find it in the first place, a charger that only works from the wall isn't going to help you much at the flying field.

Hope this helps...
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Offline Larry Renger

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Re: confused about first electric 1/2a
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2011, 10:22:35 PM »
This is the setup I am running on a Baby Flite Streak.  The model's area is 156 sq.in. and it weighs 10 ounces.  It was a bit sloppy until I added flaps. Now it will easily do the entire AMA/PAMPA pattern:

The setup for aerobatic flying is:  Turnigy 2627 1200kV outrunner motor, APC 7x5 electric prop, Hobby King 12 A Blue series Electronic Speed Control, Turnigy 850mAh 3s battery and a KR timer.  The motor is set to run 10 amps on the ground.  After numerous flights, recharge shows that a 5 minute run is only using 560mAh.

It is flying on 42 ft of lightweight Spectra fishing line.  The control handle is the RSM Ultimate 1/2A handle with about 1.5" line spacing.  I plan to make a larger stab and elevator for better dampening in hard corners.
Think S.M.A.L.L. y'all and, it's all good, CL, FF and RC!

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Re: confused about first electric 1/2a
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2011, 12:46:39 PM »
I built an electric Ringmaster 150 sp inches from one of Pat King's (patdk@aol.com) laser cut kits.

Pat's kit comes with plans for either IC engine or an electric motor power.

Motor = Turnigy  C2826 1350 KV (from  hobbyking.com)
ESC = Castle Creations Phoenix 25 Amp
Timer = Will Hubin FM9 (whubin@kent.edu) (Will has other timers that will work fine for $10 to $25 or so)
Prop = APC light Electric 7 x 5 pusher
Battery = 3 cell 750 mah (Rhino brand from hobbyking.com)
Covering = Ultracote
Flight ready weight = 8.9 oz
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Re: confused about first electric 1/2a
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2011, 03:00:47 PM »
My Baby Clown setup is posted on the List Your Setup Thread.
Here are some details:

Wingspan 25 1/4", area 136 sq-in
Weight 10.5 oz
Motor: BP Hobbies 2212-13 Outruner, Kv=1000
ESC: BP Hobbies 20 amp helicopter, in governor mode
Timer: timer replaced by RC throttle control
Battery: Hyperion 3rd generation 3S 850 mah LiPo
Prop: APC 8x8 thin Electric
Line length 40' eye to eye
Lap time 3.7 sec at 7,500 rpm
Static power at 7,500 rpm approximately 150 watts
Flight time: 4 min to keep battery usage to 80%.
Setup will also do 4.3 sec laps on 50' line for 3 min.

I have since added flaps for better corners. With  the flaps I can fly well on just 25' lines but  the 3.3 sec lap time is very fast. I also am using a CC Phoenix 10 ESC on the short lines. Setup draws only 8 amps at 2S with GWS 8x6 prop.

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Re: confused about first electric 1/2a
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2013, 01:19:48 PM »
I'm new to this site, but the information in this thread seems very useful to me.  I've been building and flying electric RC parkflyer foamies, most of which seem to be about 1/2A size.  So I'm currently exploring the possibility of putting my foam building skills to work to build a simple profile plank wing electric to fly on control lines, and at this point I'm just replying to this thread because it seems to be a good way to keep track of it with my new account here.  Thanks for posting your setups, it's been helpful to me.

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Re: confused about first electric 1/2a
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2013, 01:32:58 PM »
I am flying a Brodak Baby Pathfinder with the following setup:
Arrowind 2210/25
APC 7x5 EP (electric pusher with motor running clockwise)
1300mha 3 cell battery
Castle Creation Thunderbird 36 amp ESC
KR governor timer with the following settings:
    Variable gain for governor set to four
    Flight time set to 5 minutes
    Start up delay set to 5 seconds
    RPM set 11.1K RPM

This setup will fly the full pattern on 47' spectra lines with a 2" line spacing on one of Larry Renger's 1/2a handles.

Hope this helps.
Andy
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Offline Carl Mataratzo

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Re: confused about first electric 1/2a
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2013, 10:43:47 PM »

This setup will fly the full pattern on 47' spectra lines with a 2" line spacing on one of Larry Renger's 1/2a handles.

Hope this helps.
Andy


What bellcrank do you use?

Carl

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Re: confused about first electric 1/2a
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2013, 09:24:40 AM »
Carl
It's been a long time since I built the plane, but I believe I used the bellcrank that came with the kit.  I think it was a 3" nylon.
Andy
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Re: confused about first electric 1/2a
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2013, 06:58:39 AM »
Does anyone have a link to their "spectra lines" they're using for their 1/2A planes? I have seen a few posts that mention Spider wire fishing line is better than the Dacron that comes with the Sig 1/2A handle that I just ordered for my project, but I can't seem to find a lot of details about which type and strength of Spider wire is best for this?  Thanks for any help anyone can provide here.

Scott

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Re: confused about first electric 1/2a
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2013, 10:48:56 AM »
Scott
You can go online and order spectra (generic for spider wire) the only thing to be careful of is to get the multistrand not the monofiliment.  I use to be able to go to any sporting goods store and get it, now they all seem to be stocking the monofiliment.  But I had no trouble getting the multistrand online. I have been using "Calcutta Ultra Braid" brand 10lb test 300 yard role green in color.  It seems to work great so far.
Andy
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Re: confused about first electric 1/2a
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2013, 11:39:07 AM »
I'm new to this site, but the information in this thread seems very useful to me.  I've been building and flying electric RC parkflyer foamies, most of which seem to be about 1/2A size.  So I'm currently exploring the possibility of putting my foam building skills to work to build a simple profile plank wing electric to fly on control lines, and at this point I'm just replying to this thread because it seems to be a good way to keep track of it with my new account here.  Thanks for posting your setups, it's been helpful to me.

Search for Igor Burger's foamy GB.  It's already optimized for control line.
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Re: confused about first electric 1/2a
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2013, 02:26:57 AM »
We use green spiderwire 0.14mm on indoors. The strenght and flexibility is almost like steel cable, but knot is week point.

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Re: confused about first electric 1/2a
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2013, 01:11:46 PM »
Scott
You can go online and order spectra (generic for spider wire) the only thing to be careful of is to get the multistrand not the monofiliment.  I use to be able to go to any sporting goods store and get it, now they all seem to be stocking the monofiliment.  But I had no trouble getting the multistrand online. I have been using "Calcutta Ultra Braid" brand 10lb test 300 yard role green in color.  It seems to work great so far.
Andy

Andy,

Thanks for the help, I searched for "Calcutta Ultra Braid", and didn't notice anywhere in the descriptions of it where it specifically stated that it is in fact Spectra/Dyneema, but if it's working for you I'll consider it too. I'll probably check some local stores and see what I can find and compare costs to the online sources before buying anything anyway.  My Sig order is supposed to arrive today so I have some time to get what I need before I finish with building my electric Skyray kit.  Thanks again for the help, I know what to look for now.

Scott

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