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Offline Brendan Eberenz

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Setting ESC for Electric Carrier Plane
« on: May 09, 2024, 06:02:39 PM »
We have a SkyRay that has been set up for Carrier. It was running on a glow engine, but we converted it to electric. We fly electric stunt, so adjusting to an electric carrier setup is a little challenging (given my limited technological understanding). My biggest issues are 1) programming the ESC correctly to run off the transmitter/receiver and 2) setting limits that make sure I don't burn up the electronics.

I am using a Cobra 2814-12 1390kv motor with 3s batteries. We prefer to use a 9x6e prop because we have a lot of them. You will find the Motor Prop Data chart at this link (https://www.innov8tivedesigns.com/images/specs/Cobra_2814-12_Specs.htm).  The data chart says a 9x6 prop "can be used, bull full throttle should be kept to short bursts (80 to 100% power)." We are using a Talon 60 ESC, which I believe is oversized for the system, but all my others are Talon 35s and I wanted to make sure I don't burn out my ESC.

When I go to program the ESC in Castle Link, I marked the "Vehicle Type" as "Airplane." My main confusion for programming the ESC comes from the "Throttle Type." It offers the ability to "Auto Calibrate Endpoints" or "Fixed Endpoints." I am not sure what to choose here. Also, given my motor and prop size, I am not sure which option is the best to make sure we don't burn up the power system. The two "Throttle Type" settings are shown in the picture below and explain what each of them do.

If it is important to know, my transmitter/receiver is 2.4GHz radio system with the actual product listed here (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RR81GSB?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details).

Thanks for taking a look at this post. Hopefully I can find some folks that know their way around these issues.

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Re: Setting ESC for Electric Carrier Plane
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2024, 07:11:18 PM »
Brendan,
I would use the "Auto calibrate endpoints".  Should just need to turn things on, go to full throttle and then back to 0 throttle and then the esc learns what the transmitter is sending.  Please do this with the prop off.  Run the throttle up and down a couple of times and I would expect that you are ready to go.  As a hint for how to fly this set up, I recommend that you learn to get the airplane nose high with full up elevator hanging on the up line and use the throttle to keep it out of the water.  Extra tip weight might help as well.

I am by no means a carrier guy, but have dabbled a bit with a gas version and this flying technique as worked well for me.  Good luck and let us know how it goes.

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Re: Setting ESC for Electric Carrier Plane
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2024, 08:30:25 PM »
Brendan,

(Sorry John) I suggest "Fixed-Endpoints". 

If you use "Auto-Calibrate Endpoints" your procedure would be: connect the battery, hold on tight to the airplane and advance the throttle stick to full power, then bring the stick back down to minimum, now you are ready to start your flight.  You must do this prior to each and every flight.  Besides the obvious safety concern this is just plain dumb for control line.  RC guys can get away with it as they can do a quick full power ground check before taxiing out to the runway or they may opt to always make sure they hit full throttle during the takeoff run.  Why would an RC guy want it?  It helps reduce the 'dead zone' at the top end of the throttle stick movement.  It makes things more consistent when switching from one airplane to the next.

For Castle Creations (the Edge series anyway, the Talon is likely the same) ,"Airplane" and "Fixed-Endpoints" means the ESC is setup with a 1.3 millisecond pulsewidth signal as the lower endpoint.  As the signal pulsewidth rises above this point the prop will start to move, below this and the prop is stopped and the brake is on.  The upper fixed endpoint is set to 1.8 milliseconds pulsewidth (100% power output).  Below this and the power to the motor will start to drop, above this nothing more will happen as you are already at 100% power output.

I'm guessing your transmitter will have no issues using these fixed endpoints.  Castle likely choose those numbers as they are sure to work with 99.9% of the RC transmitters out there.

A 60A ESC is overkill for that motor/prop.  Don't worry about burning it out (although, make sure your current limiting is set the way you prefer).  How much heat builds up in the motor is your only concern.  Do some ground runs and test increasing lengths of full throttle bursts.  When the motor gets too warm for your liking then you know the limit.  Do the same tests in flight.  If you do all that then you should have a good understanding of your system and how far you want to push it.  It sounds like a good combination of components and I think you will find it more than adequate for the task.

I like quatifiable data.  I use wattmeters, ammeters, voltmeters, tachometers and temperature sensors, but that's just me.
« Last Edit: May 09, 2024, 08:56:20 PM by CircuitFlyer »
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Re: Setting ESC for Electric Carrier Plane
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2024, 09:05:13 PM »
Thanks for the suggestions. I do like that fixed endpoints doesn't have the preflight throttling process. I also like the advice on doing the test runs and checking the heat for limits. I will probably also throw on my watt meter as I ground test it to see the numbers as I push things at full throttle. All of this at least gives me a starting point to get it in the air and start walking our way towards knowing our limits. We are hoping to get far enough over the next month to have my son try a couple of carrier events at Brodaks next month.

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Re: Setting ESC for Electric Carrier Plane
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2024, 12:48:43 AM »
Be careful of full power ground testing. We run our motors near there limit.  When in flight the motor unloads some.  So what might be ok in the air will burn out the motor on the ground.  You can trim off a little of the prop diameter.  I created a templet that  lines up with the center hole to keep both blades equal. A 1/4" off each blade should keep the load manageable.  Also I would use EP props.  It will help with line tension at low speed.   Never have done any carrier events.  Does the rules allow electric?  All my contest  flying has been scale with a throttle.  Scale does not have motor size rules (except for 1/2A scale), so electric power is OK. 
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Re: Setting ESC for Electric Carrier Plane
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2024, 07:43:15 AM »
Since what you will have is really an RC plane on lines, I would think some of the RC forums might shed sone light.

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Re: Setting ESC for Electric Carrier Plane
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2024, 08:09:26 AM »
Since what you will have is really an RC plane on lines, I would think some of the RC forums might shed sone light.

Ken
PS Scale on this BB has a lot of info on a RC throttle of a U-control.
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Re: Setting ESC for Electric Carrier Plane
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2024, 12:41:12 PM »
Brendan,

(Sorry John) I suggest "Fixed-Endpoints". 

If you use "Auto-Calibrate Endpoints" your procedure would be: connect the battery, hold on tight to the airplane and advance the throttle stick to full power, then bring the stick back down to minimum, now you are ready to start your flight.  You must do this prior to each and every flight

Paul,
Thank you for the additional (and probably more correct) information.  I had thought that the ESC learned on the first pass and retained the end points in Auto-Calibrate.  I will need to check what I have on my CC ESCs that I fly throttle on now-have not had to look for a while. 

Brendan,
Follow up with Paul's advice for the ESC.  I still think mine is good for flying though.....

John
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Re: Setting ESC for Electric Carrier Plane
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2024, 04:22:23 PM »
Plug everything in, fly.  ESCs and motors are made for RC, this is essentially RC, it should all be plug and play unless you're trying to optimize or you're using the wrong combination of equipment.

If you're concerned about over-current and you don't have a WattMeter or ammeter, just go out and do ten fast laps -- then land, and check to see if the motor, battery, or ESC are hot.

If they're not, go fly.
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