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Climb and Dive Timer New Software Update V1.4
« on: April 28, 2024, 01:33:17 PM »
A new software update is available for the Climb_and_Dive Timer.  I just released v1.4 of the program code.  The  instructions have been revised to incorporate the latest developments, notably https://circuitflyer.com/Climb_and_Dive/docs/Advanced%20Modifications.html  Please have a look through them.

The Software page of the instructions https://circuitflyer.com/Climb_and_Dive/docs/Software.html has all the details of how to download the new code and update your timer.  It’s just a simple drag and drop.  This update is a little different as I added a new library file so you will need to drag and drop both the code.py and the whole lib folder onto your CIRCUITPY drive.  Remember to "Replace all" when asked, don't merge or keep both.

The most notable change is the ability to wire up an optional super bright NeoPixel LED.  The LED can be mounted through a 5mm hole in the side of full fuse airplanes.  It should be bright enough (except for the blue colour) to be seen from 60' away on a sunny day.  This is sort of an advanced feature and is only recommended if you are confident with your electronics skills.

Other new items:
- improved nose over protection.
- increase in the throttle setting for the start-up blip.  This was required or Castle Creations ESC's.
- decrease in the length of the start-up blip.  Reduced from the previous 1.5 seconds to just a quick 0.5 second pulse.
- For those that are comfortable personalising the code I moved a few variables up near the top for easier access.

Give this new version a try and let me know what you think.

Full details here:
https://circuitflyer.com/Climb_and_Dive/

The Climb and Dive timer can be ordered here:
https://www.tindie.com/products/circuitflyer/climb_and_dive-an-advanced-control-line-timer/
Paul Emmerson
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Re: Climb and Dive Timer New Software Update V1.4
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2024, 07:11:06 PM »
Paul,
Will try out the new material and let you know what I think when we get some good weather. 
Regards,
John
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Re: Climb and Dive Timer New Software Update V1.4
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2024, 10:49:42 AM »
The diagram shows mounting location on a profile. I'd imagine a full fuse ship would be the same. So essentially, locating the device isn't as critical say as with an active timer ?

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Re: Climb and Dive Timer New Software Update V1.4
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2024, 04:31:04 PM »
Mounting location inside a full fuse ship would be similar.  The edges of the timer need to be parallel to the major axis of the aircraft.  It can't be mounted at an angle or tilted.  It is an active timer. I tested different mounting locations on my limited fleet and found no noticeable difference.  Your airplane could be a little different and your probably a better pilot than I so maybe you could discern a slight advantage of one location over another.  Theoretically, mounting closer to the CofG might help reduce undesirable effects from excessive yaw or vibration.
Paul Emmerson
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Re: Climb and Dive Timer New Software Update V1.4
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2024, 07:29:06 AM »
CF,
Does a new timer come with the latest program upgrades installed?

Best,  DennisT

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Re: Climb and Dive Timer New Software Update V1.4
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2024, 07:22:09 PM »
Yes they do.  All timer kits come with the latest code installed and tested.
Paul Emmerson
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Re: Climb and Dive Timer New Software Update V1.4
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2024, 11:07:38 AM »
Canadian Paul and Cheryl Emmerson visited me in Arizona last week and talked about updates to his Climb and Dive Timer. I don' want to let the cat out of the bag but the latest update will make it easy for contest flyers (and others) to fine tune their model's performance.  Stay tuned for more updates.

Randy

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Re: Climb and Dive Timer New Software Update V1.4
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2025, 01:00:44 PM »
Paul/Folks-

I killed my first C&D timer (long story) and purchased (2) new ones a couple of weeks ago. I lost all my settings in the death of the first one so my new setup was by memory. I have the following settings : 1) 25 seconds, 2) 240 seconds, 3)9500, 4)8 , 5) 7, 6) 8, 7) 8, 9) +Z, -X, 10) 8. I seem to have RPM hunting " room - room -room". So I changed motor accel from 8 to 5, haven't tried it yet. However I couldn't detect any Climb or Dive RPM changes compared with my previous timer. Could I have the Axis wrong? This is a profile model with the timer on the inboard fuselage and the connector oriented forward.

Thanks In Advance for the Help,

Steve Manganelli
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Re: Climb and Dive Timer New Software Update V1.4
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2025, 08:04:04 PM »
The default axis orientation (+Z, -X) is correct for the photo of the timer mounted on the side of the nose like that.  If you want to test for changes in the RPM from the accelerometer input you need to roll the airplane not point the nose up or down.    Check the ESC settings to make sure there is no soft-start or anything that could slow down the throttle response.  Changing the motor acceleration setting in the timer will only increase the amount of time that the motor takes to go from start-up (off) to the governed RPM at take-off.  When bench testing, sometimes a motor needs a bit of load to govern properly.  A smaller diameter or lower pitch prop should suffice without causing anything to overheat.

What motor, ESC and battery are you intending to use and have you successfully used that combination before?
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Re: Climb and Dive Timer New Software Update V1.4
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2025, 01:29:13 PM »
The default axis orientation (+Z, -X) is correct for the photo of the timer mounted on the side of the nose like that.  If you want to test for changes in the RPM from the accelerometer input you need to roll the airplane not point the nose up or down.    Check the ESC settings to make sure there is no soft-start or anything that could slow down the throttle response.  Changing the motor acceleration setting in the timer will only increase the amount of time that the motor takes to go from start-up (off) to the governed RPM at take-off.  When bench testing, sometimes a motor needs a bit of load to govern properly.  A smaller diameter or lower pitch prop should suffice without causing anything to overheat.

What motor, ESC and battery are you intending to use and have you successfully used that combination before?

Neumotor 1905 (inrunner), Castle ICE 50, 4S2600 to 4S3300 Lipos. It all worked perfectly on same setup/airplane and the previous C&D Timer. Will change the motor accel back to 8. The old one speed hunted also.  I theorized it was caused by the timer sort of wiggling on the fuselage as it was mounted on velcro. New one mounted on double sided foam tape, so much stiffer mounting. I didn't check the speed control for any soft starts (yet); the whole setup came out of drawer salvaged from a crashed R/C airplane!

Also (in case it matters) I encased the timer in clear heat-shrink, then cut away the material around the base of the touch pin. My electronics background inhibits me from gluing a bare Circuit board to anything.   n1

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Steve Manganelli
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Re: Climb and Dive Timer New Software Update V1.4
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2025, 09:06:46 AM »
I mount my timers with velcro.  The timer is designed to filter out higher frequency "noise" from vibration.  I don't recommend the older Castle ICE series of ESC's with the Climb_and_Dive timer.  I suggest replacing it with a lower cost BadAss ESC or equivalent.  If you insist on using the ICE try: Airplane Mode, Fixed Endpoints (you won't get the start-up throttle blip) and make sure the Throttle Response is cranked up to 10.
Paul Emmerson
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Re: Climb and Dive Timer New Software Update V1.4
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2025, 12:54:37 PM »
I mount my timers with velcro.  The timer is designed to filter out higher frequency "noise" from vibration.  I don't recommend the older Castle ICE series of ESC's with the Climb_and_Dive timer.  I suggest replacing it with a lower cost BadAss ESC or equivalent.  If you insist on using the ICE try: Airplane Mode, Fixed Endpoints (you won't get the start-up throttle blip) and make sure the Throttle Response is cranked up to 10.

Thanks for that great recommendation! Didn't know I was outsmarting myself with fancy Castle ESC. There weren't any Badass ESCs in the bottom of the junk drawer when I was outfitting my first CL model (in 45 years). They are certainly affordable. My bias toward Castle is if the ESC / BEC fails, R/C planes crash, CL planes just land!
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Re: Climb and Dive Timer New Software Update V1.4
« Reply #12 on: Yesterday at 01:08:20 PM »
Switched to Badass ESC. Speed hunting cured. Startup sequence is back to normal. One small problem : about 1/2 the time I get no-start; maybe 20 revolutions then stops with the 2-red flash LED message (motor phase feedback signal missing). Connections/wires look good. What am I missing : is the motor start acceleration too fast/slow? My motor has only 8 poles; could this be confusing the startup logic?

Thanks for Your Help,

Steve Manganelli
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Re: Climb and Dive Timer New Software Update V1.4
« Reply #13 on: Yesterday at 03:14:25 PM »
It could be the 8 pole motor.  Unfortunately I don't have one on hand to test but I'll take a closer look at my math.  What are your program settings for RPM and Motor Acceleration?
Paul Emmerson
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Re: Climb and Dive Timer New Software Update V1.4
« Reply #14 on: Yesterday at 08:22:36 PM »
It could be the 8 pole motor.  Unfortunately I don't have one on hand to test but I'll take a closer look at my math.  What are your program settings for RPM and Motor Acceleration?

Motor Acceleration=5, RPM = 9750. I increased RPM from 9650 when I last flew it and had false starts. Should I try Acceleration= 8 ? I'm not trying to self launch; I have patient helpers whom will wait until full throttle before letting go!

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Re: Climb and Dive Timer New Software Update V1.4
« Reply #15 on: Yesterday at 09:26:25 PM »
Try Acceleration = 8.  That may help.  Also, make sure any soft start settings in the ESC are off.  If you still have a problem, send me a PM and I'll send you a custom code to try.

When the motor starts to slowly turn, the code ignores the first batch of RPM reading because they're little wonky as the ESC figures a few things out.  I suspect for an 8 pole motor I may need to ignore a few extra of those very first readings.
Paul Emmerson
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