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Offline Motorman

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Why Brake?
« on: June 01, 2016, 09:33:44 AM »
Why do I need to brake the prop after the motor shuts off? Won't the prop just free wheel and have no effect on anything? Allot of set ups I see have almost immediate 100% strength, seems severe to me. After brakes release it free wheels anyway, why brake at all?

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Re: Why Brake?
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2016, 09:53:07 AM »
Two (or maybe one-and-a-half) reasons:

A rapidly-freewheeling, low-pitch prop acts like an airbrake.

In FAI, the judging for the landing starts when the motor stops, and you want to have a clear and unequivocal stopping event.  This doesn't matter much in AMA, but -- FAI.
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Re: Why Brake?
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2016, 10:12:04 AM »
Why do I need to brake the prop after the motor shuts off? Won't the prop just free wheel and have no effect on anything?

MM

In short.. it'll glides longer.  If the prop is free wheel it'll slow the plane down more as Tim said above.

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Re: Why Brake?
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2016, 10:22:37 AM »
'After brakes release' it free wheels anyway, why brake at all?
Define that moment, please...
The 'why brakes?' has been perfectly explained already.

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Re: Why Brake?
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2016, 11:04:14 AM »
Why do I need to brake the prop after the motor shuts off? Won't the prop just free wheel and have no effect on anything? Allot of set ups I see have almost immediate 100% strength, seems severe to me. After brakes release it free wheels anyway, why brake at all?

MM
If the braking is turned on, then as long as a battery is connected, it should resist prop rotation,,
however there are a couple settings,
 one is braking speed, how fast it stops
another is braking affect or strength,, the actual resistance to rotation
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Re: Why Brake?
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2016, 11:25:36 AM »
I don't fly FAI and I just land where ever in a grass field so I set brake strength 80% .6 sec delay and ramp medium. Does that sound ok?

I wondered why the prop was so hard to turn when the battery was first plugged in, the brake was on lol.

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Re: Why Brake?
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2016, 11:29:08 AM »
If you intend to fly competitively you'll want to attain a long, smooth landing, and if the wind is up you may want to whip it a bit to put the plane down in the ideal spot.  Both of these are easier with less drag.
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Re: Why Brake?
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2016, 11:38:13 AM »
I don't fly FAI and I just land where ever in a grass field so I set brake strength 80% .6 sec delay and ramp medium. Does that sound ok?

I wondered why the prop was so hard to turn when the battery was first plugged in, the brake was on lol.

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I don't see anything wrong with those settings,, does the prop continue to spool after it powers off in flight? if it does, you may want a higher braking percentage, you really want the prop to stop spinning,
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Re: Why Brake?
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2016, 09:39:09 PM »
Put the brake at 100% and the ramp at slow.
This way the prop stops slower, none of that instant stop that could strain motor mounts etc.
BTW, in FAI the prop is allowed to free-wheel for landing so long as the judges can see the individual blades rotating.
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Re: Why Brake?
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2016, 10:13:38 PM »
I had the brake at 80% today and the prop spun pretty good, it did seem like an air brake but why is a free wheeling prop more drag?

100% strength with slow ramp sounds good, I'll try that tomorrow.

MM

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Re: Why Brake?
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2016, 10:26:30 PM »
it did seem like an air brake but why is a free wheeling prop more drag?

MM

Are you running a 2-blade or 3-blade?

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Re: Why Brake?
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2016, 07:49:57 AM »
3 blade

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Re: Why Brake?
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2016, 08:00:56 AM »
I had the brake at 80% today and the prop spun pretty good, it did seem like an air brake but why is a free wheeling prop more drag?

100% strength with slow ramp sounds good, I'll try that tomorrow.

MM
MY unscientific explanation,, Howard may correct me
the simplest way to look at it is ,, with the blade spinning at some rpm, you are presenting more blade area to the oncoming air. the faster it spins, the more blade area you present.. I think in terms of the airplane moving forward through one foot of forward motion. every revolution makes a slice through that foot of air. the more revolutions the more slices , hence more blade area presented to oncoming air.
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Re: Why Brake?
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2016, 11:43:35 AM »
So why are rubber powered free flight planes built to allow the prop to free wheel after the powered phase of the flight?  S?P

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Re: Why Brake?
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2016, 12:08:49 PM »
So why are rubber powered free flight planes built to allow the prop to free wheel after the powered phase of the flight?  S?P

First, serious rubber powered free flight planes have folders.  The only performance-oriented classes that don't use them are things like P-30 where they aren't allowed for simplicity's sake.  Second, the freewheel is a lot freer on rubber power.  Third, pitch to diameter ratios tend to be higher than 1, meaning the prop isn't spinning nearly as fast in the glide.

There's probably subtler reasons than that, but that's as much as I know.
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