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Front mounting an E-Flite 25
« on: January 07, 2016, 10:59:27 AM »
It looks like most outrunner electrics are rear mounted with the spinning part forward.

I see that the E-Flite 25 has provision to run the shaft past the mounting plate to mount
from a forward bulkhead.  Has anyone mounted an electric motor to the nose ring ?

It seems the mounting requirements for an electric are less formidable than IC engines
because they are so smooth.

Rex

PS : Maybe Bob Palmer was ahead of his time mounting a Fox .35 by the backplate (Mars).

 

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Re: Front mounting an E-Flite 25
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2016, 11:15:19 AM »
Yes, people do this.  Bob hunt sells a mounting ring to make this easy.

At one point it was considered essential to keeping a motor's bearings alive.  I'm not sure what the current thinking is on that score, however.
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Re: Front mounting an E-Flite 25
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2016, 11:44:22 AM »
Rex,
do NOT underestimate the requirment for strength in mounting an electric,, they are easily as torquey as glow motors, it is true they dont have the vibration, but they are still subjected to the same loads other than vibration,, I have seen several firewalls pull out because people were  cavalier about firewall integrity
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Re: Front mounting an E-Flite 25
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2016, 02:52:11 PM »
The three or four electrics I have , all have the motor front mounted.It just seems better to me to have the mass of the prop and spinner on one side of the mount and the mass of the motor itself on the other side of the mount. My bearing have been replaced once a year just because it seems better to do that , but Ive never had any noisy motors. Remember that I have only used  Axi motors , which may be better than some of the cheaper more popular motors around.Yes, I am aware that some of the other ,better flyers we associate with, live with the rear mounting method and see no reason to change. I often wonder how often Paul and Howard have changed bearings. I have heard  rumors. Anyway bearings are certainly cheap enough. The mounts that I make are similar to the ones Bob Hunt sells in appearance,  I use 1  8th plywood with blind nuts where the fpur bolts go through, so the plywood wont crush, The blind nut takes all of the squeezing.  Keith Varley

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Re: Front mounting an E-Flite 25
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2016, 03:57:49 PM »
Rex,
do NOT underestimate the requirment for strength in mounting an electric,, they are easily as torquey as glow motors, it is true they dont have the vibration, but they are still subjected to the same loads other than vibration,, I have seen several firewalls pull out because people were  cavalier about firewall integrity

I had an electric motor land in (not on) the wing of my Twister because of this, at the Regionals in 2015.  I'm actually happier to be the one landed upon than to dwell on how I would have felt if it'd been my motor sticking out of Paul's or Brett's wing.
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Re: Front mounting an E-Flite 25
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2016, 08:42:29 PM »
Use this method to reverse the shaft, stick a large dia wire into your drill press and push the shaft to the other side. the drill press can double as an arbor press to reverse the shaft. my next CL scale project will be mounted that way instead of the back plate



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Re: Front mounting an E-Flite 25
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2016, 12:18:26 PM »
Bob Hunt had some pics on here of his front mount installation.




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Re: Front mounting an E-Flite 25
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2016, 01:05:21 PM »
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Re: Front mounting an E-Flite 25
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2016, 03:37:36 PM »
I have a manual that shows in detail how to size and install a front mount system. It is in PDF format and I'll gladly send it via email to anyone who wants it. Just send me your email address and I'll forward it asap.

Later - Bob Hunt   

Bob,

   Thanks for the pix. It looks like you have the most elegant system I've seen or contemplated.

   When you do it for a full fuselage plane, are there stubby motor beams that catch the slots in the motor plate ?

   And, what is the motor mount plate made from ; a SIGment compatible material I hope.

   When I finish a nose assembly, I usually put a 1/ 4"  dia  hole in the nose ring and "sharpen" the nose by spinning the
whole fuselage on the axis of the hole to create a concentric cone to work from.  I could do the same thing here by making an
adapter plate with a 1/4" hole in it.  Certainly, and RC style motor box is a waste of effort and would lead to problems in
getting a fine entry for the nose.

    I assume the finished fuselage probably has a jet engine inlet style (rolled over) of nose ring.

    My E-Mail is rex1945a@gmail.com.

    The attached picture is "Second Hand Rose" which is to be the recipient of and electric conversion after an "unfortunate"
accident with my Saito .40.

Rex

Thanks for the help.
 
 

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Re: Front mounting an E-Flite 25
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2016, 08:15:22 AM »
The three or four electrics I have , all have the motor front mounted.It just seems better to me to have the mass of the prop and spinner on one side of the mount and the mass of the motor itself on the other side of the mount. My bearing have been replaced once a year just because it seems better to do that , but Ive never had any noisy motors. Remember that I have only used  Axi motors , which may be better than some of the cheaper more popular motors around.Yes, I am aware that some of the other ,better flyers we associate with, live with the rear mounting method and see no reason to change. I often wonder how often Paul and Howard have changed bearings. I have heard  rumors. Anyway bearings are certainly cheap enough. The mounts that I make are similar to the ones Bob Hunt sells in appearance,  I use 1  8th plywood with blind nuts where the fpur bolts go through, so the plywood wont crush, The blind nut takes all of the squeezing.  Keith Varley

Kieth,

   Probably the glue bods better to the wood than the G-10 as well.

   I presume most outrunners have only one single row ball bearing, or are there two bearings in tandem in your motors ?

Rex

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Re: Front mounting an E-Flite 25
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2016, 09:39:16 PM »
Troubles with bearing on AXI2826 motors were caused by running at resonantion RPM.It is hard to tell until it starts to scream, and that is already too late, it needs to change not only bearing, but also rotor as it is usually out of balance. I spoke to maker and I was told resonantion appears at about 9000 or 9500 RPM, means exactly where we flew our models with APC 12x6 props. Then we went to lower pitch 5" and sinthen I do not have problems, I fly motor without maintenance whole year, then I send motor during winter to replace bearing and problem solved.


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