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Re: Climb And Dive Timer Revue
« Reply #50 on: September 04, 2024, 01:38:15 PM »
No problem at all, just be sure to follow the instructions to set the orientation correctly so that the timer knows which accelerometer axis to use.
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Re: Climb And Dive Timer Revue
« Reply #51 on: September 05, 2024, 08:53:50 PM »
Went out and flew the C&D timer today.  Sometimes it went well and other times it was frustrating.  I believe the frustration was caused by the Jeti Spin Pro 44 ESC that I'm using.  The first flight the system armed and gave me a beep.  Then I got the momentary spin after 3 seconds.  After the delay time was up the motor started to spool up then shut off!  This happened several times.  Back to the pits.  After fiddling with the ESC settings ( I don't remember what I changed) the motor would stay running.  I flew a couple of 2 minute flights to set the lap speed.  Then programmed the timer for a full flight.  The next flight went well.  I then adjusted the Climb and Dive settings to see how I liked it.  The next flight the motor started and then shut down again.  I disconnected the battery and connected it and then the motor stayed running.  All is well for the next several flights.  Then on full flight 4 I stated to run out of battery in the OH8.  After I landed, I checked each cell and they were all about 3.5V each.  This is what they normally show after a good flight.  Back into the ESC program and I noticed that it was set for the Glider Outrunner setting and when I checked the manual settings the minimum cell voltage was set to 3.2V.  I'm running a Li-ion pack and this setting needs to be 2.7V.  I changed it along with the cell count from Auto to 6 cells.  The next flight went well.  However I was not getting the momentary spin up of the prop when activated.  Time to go home.

On the bench tonight I tried many combinations of ESC settings and I still cannot get the momentary spin up when activated.  The LED goes from GREEN to a momentary RED, then to BLUE, and then the flashing LED till start up.  Why don't I get the momentary spin up?

My settings are:
SPIN 44 PRO
Manual Setting
Temp - 100
Brake - Medium 50/100/1s
Operation Mode - Normal
Timing - 23
Freq. - 8KHz
Acceleration - .2s
Accumulator Type - Li-ion/Pol/Fe
Number of Cells - 6
Li-xx Cut Off - 2.7v
Off Voltage Set - 16.18v
Cut Off - Slow Down
Initial Point - Fix
Fix Initial Point - 1.00ms
End Point - 2.00ms
Auto Inc. End Point - Off(Fix)2.00ms
Throttle Curve - Linear
Rotation - Left
Start Up Power - Auto
Setting Throttle R/C - off

The C&D Timer Settings
1) Start Delay Time - 35s
2) Flight Time - 325s
3) Rpm Setting - 9800
4) Climb Gain - 5
5) Dive Gain - 6
6) Motor Poles - 14
7) Motor Accel. - 8
8) Last Lap Time - 0
9) Mounting Position - -Z, -Y
10) Overhead Boost - 6

Again I'm running a BA 3515-710, Spin 44 Pro, 6S Li-ion 2600ma battery, Igor 12 x 5N 3 blade prop.  I like to fly about 5.3-4 sec laps on 63 foot eye to eye Spectra lines.
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Re: Climb And Dive Timer Revue
« Reply #52 on: September 06, 2024, 08:57:19 AM »
The timer momentary spin up is a 1.15ms throttle signal for .5 seconds (this is easily adjustable inside the program code if needed).  It sounds like the short duration throttle signal is finished by the time the ESC can react to it.  The culprit could be the ESC Acceleration setting.  Can it be set lower or to 0 seconds?  A less likely culprit could be the Start Up Power.  I've not used a Jeti ESC so I'm not familiar with how that feature behaves.

In a normal start up, as the motor accelerates up to flight RPM it must react to the throttle signal as fast as possible.  If the ESC causes the RPM to lag behind the throttle signal the timer may mistakenly think the power system cannot reach the required RPM and trigger a shutdown.
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Re: Climb And Dive Timer Revue
« Reply #53 on: September 06, 2024, 12:37:20 PM »
Paul,
I got it working this morning.  I'm pressed for time.  I'll elaborate later today.
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Re: Climb And Dive Timer Revue
« Reply #54 on: September 06, 2024, 08:24:08 PM »
Here are my settings to get it to work with the Jeti Spin 44 Pro ESC.  I did select the Mode 4 Glider Outrunner but changed the Li-XX Cut Off to 2.7 because I'm using Li-ion batteries.


My settings today were:
SPIN 44 PRO
Manual Setting
Temp - 100
Brake - Medium 50/100/1s
Operation Mode - Normal
Timing - 23
Freq. - 8KHz
Acceleration - 1.0s
Accumulator Type - Li-ion/Pol/Fe
Number of Cells - Auto
Li-xx Cut Off - 2.7v
Off Voltage Set - 16.18v
Cut Off - Slow Down
Initial Point - Auto
Fix Initial Point - 1.00ms
End Point - 1.80ms
Auto Inc. End Point - On from 1.80ms
Throttle Curve - Linear
Rotation - Left
Start Up Power - Auto
Setting Throttle R/C - on

I think I can go in and change the Acceleration from 1.0s to .2s and the End Point from 1.80ms to 2.0ms and not change anything else.  I'll do that next time out.

EDIT:
I just made the changes to:
Acceleration from 1.0s to .2s
Number of Cells from Auto to 6
End Point from 1.80ms to 2.00ms
Auto Inc. End Point on from 1.80ms to 2.00ms

And it worked well on the bench.  We'll see next time out if these changes work.
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Re: Climb And Dive Timer Revue
« Reply #55 on: September 08, 2024, 01:32:29 AM »
You can position it normal/parallel to any axis on the plane you want, just have to go into your bluetooth settings and "teach it" which axis is which and which way is up/forward. Explained clearly in the directions, no worries!

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Re: Climb And Dive Timer Revue
« Reply #56 on: September 08, 2024, 01:34:48 AM »
Never mind above, was responding to an obsolete post  ???
CL means never losing your plane in flight : look in the direction the lines and there it is!

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Re: Climb And Dive Timer Revue
« Reply #57 on: September 09, 2024, 02:47:26 PM »
Went flying today.  The Jeti Spin 44 Pro and the Climb and Dive timer worked very well for 2 flights.  I then reduced the RPM by 200 for the 3rd flight.  On the 3rd flight after the arming beep and the 3 second on "button" push, it started then stopped!.  I disconnected the battery and tried again.  Same thing.  I tried 1 more time and the same thing.  I wound up my lines and went home.

As of right now I cannot recommend using this combo.  An exercise in frustration for sure.
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Re: Climb And Dive Timer Revue
« Reply #58 on: September 09, 2024, 03:51:25 PM »
Did you note any flashing fault codes on the timer?
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Re: Climb And Dive Timer Revue
« Reply #59 on: September 09, 2024, 05:42:26 PM »
Did you note any flashing fault codes on the timer?

Sorry I didn't look.  I should have.

A member here suggested that I change the contacts in the ESC plug because they can get loose.  So I did and will try again tomorrow.  If it does it again, I'll check the codes.
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Re: Climb And Dive Timer Revue
« Reply #60 on: September 10, 2024, 06:20:32 AM »
Crist - I think I found the problem.  You were one of my first customers.  My records show I shipped timer S/N 3 to you.  The first batch of timers I made I selected resistor values for the RPM conditioning circuit that I thought should work up to 8S batteries.  Turns out those resistors only worked up to 6S.  The voltage point where it refuses to work correctly is right around the full voltage of a 6S lipo pack.  Slightly less voltage and it works fine.  That is likely why it works for a couple of flights and not the next.  Sorry, that was my mistake.  I revised the circuitboard and fixed the issue on all subsequent batches.

I'll get you a new timer.  PM sent.
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Re: Climb And Dive Timer Revue
« Reply #61 on: September 10, 2024, 06:58:36 AM »
That's great.  PM replied to.
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Re: Climb And Dive Timer Revue
« Reply #62 on: September 10, 2024, 07:45:45 AM »
And who said electric was easier than fuel.  However once the bugs are gone electric becomes very reputable and no slime!  LL~
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Re: Climb And Dive Timer Revue
« Reply #63 on: September 10, 2024, 12:13:39 PM »
OK gang....
Here's MY setup and working well.
PointsFinder Profile original design 620 sq in at 54oz ready to launch 5.25 sec laps on 61' eye to eye .018 stranded lines
Cobra 3515/18 KV740
APC 13x5.5P cut down to 11.5 diameter
6S Li-Ion "P28A" cells. 2800mah 35A max draw
Talon 35 ESC
Data file:
Auto Rotate Enabled: False
Auto-Lipo Volts/Cell: 3.0 Volts/Cell
Brake Delay: .6 sec (Delayed) (*)
Brake Ramp: Slow
Brake Strength: 100% (Hard)
Current Cutoff Type: Hard Cutoff
Current Limiting: Insensitive
Cutoff Voltage: 162 (2.7v/cell)
Desired Head Speed 1: Optional
Desired Head Speed 2: Optional
Desired Head Speed 3: Optional
Direction: Forward (*)
Governor Gain: 50
Governor Mode Type: Simple
Head Speed Change Rate: 20
Hex55: 85
Initial Spool-Up Rate: 15
Link Live Enable: Disabled (*)
Motor Start Power: Medium (59) (*)
Motor Timing: Normal (5) (*)
Power-On Beep: Enabled (*)
PWM Rate: 8 Khz
Throttle Response: Medium (5) (*)
Throttle Type: Fixed-Endpoints
Vehicle Setup - Battery Type: LiPo
Vehicle Setup - Battery Voltage: 22.2000
Vehicle Setup - Gear Ratio: 1.000
Vehicle Setup - Motor Kv: 740
Vehicle Setup - Motor Number of Poles: 14
Vehicle Setup - Number of Cells: 6
Vehicle Type: Multi-Rotor
Voltage Cutoff Type: Soft Cutoff (*)

Climb and Dive Unit settings:
Ver 1.4
Mounted with double sticky foam pad @ 1/16" thick
1- delay 30
2- duration 310
3- rpm 9550
4- climb boost 3 (was 5)
5- dive boost 3 (was 6)
6- poles 14
7- accel 5
8- sec after boost 3
9- orientation -Z, -Y
10- Overhead boost 4

I added wing seating tape to fuse behind the connectors to assure a good connection.

Above may not be optimum. More test flights this evening.  Although feeling pretty good.
« Last Edit: September 12, 2024, 06:21:33 AM by Dave Rigotti »
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Re: Climb And Dive Timer Revue
« Reply #64 on: September 10, 2024, 12:18:36 PM »
And who said electric was easier than fuel.  However once the bugs are gone electric becomes very reputable and no slime!  LL~
If you swap your battery after you land so it is ready to go again you can put in an extra flight in the time it tales the IC guys to fuel up and start their engine, screw with the needle and read the Tac.  But you don't because it is not polite.  H^^  Neither is arming and walking to your handle while the IC guy is still carrying his plane off just to make a point!  VD~

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Re: Climb And Dive Timer Revue
« Reply #65 on: September 12, 2024, 06:27:45 AM »
OK back on topic...
I flew some additional flights last evening and adjusted the climb and dive boost values.  See post #63 in BOLD.
Plane is VERY consistent speed wise throughout each maneuver now.  The overhead boost is a welcomed feature.  Wind was 9MPH and it made the OH8 comfortable.  I did notice IF the boosts were to high the maneuvers were "jerky".  Maybe just enough is better than a bit too much?
Anyway...Good job Paul!
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Re: Climb And Dive Timer Revue
« Reply #66 on: September 30, 2024, 05:13:51 PM »
Paul, I just updated both my Climb and Dive Timers with version 4 and it is so easy even I was successful. Thanks for a great timer.  #^

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Re: Climb And Dive Timer Revue
« Reply #67 on: September 30, 2024, 10:27:10 PM »
I received the new timer and installed it and took out the Pathfinder.  It flew without a hitch.  My settings below for both the Jeti Spin 44 Pro and the C&D timer.  Thank you Paul!
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Re: Climb And Dive Timer Revue
« Reply #68 on: October 11, 2024, 08:25:08 AM »
Anyone have any experience using C. C. Phoenix 45 ESC with the Climb and Dive Timer ?


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