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Online Mike Scholtes

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Meaning of "C" rating?
« on: October 03, 2009, 04:09:22 PM »
What is the meaning and significance of the "C" rating attached to batteries? For our CL purposes is it an important factor in selecting batteries and evaluating their performance?

I feel a little silly asking such a basic question but I don't see it addressed in the stickies or threads. Apologies if this has been covered 50 times already, but I just got on board!

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Re: Meaning of "C" rating?
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2009, 04:55:20 PM »
"C" is a rating that specifies how much current the pack can support in a discharge. The "C" rating multiplied by the pack capacity will give you a number in Amps.

A specific example is a "20C" 4000mAHr pack. So the max discharge should be 20*4000 mA (ignore the "H") =80,000mA or 80 Amps.

I note that an actual 10C discharge would completely discharge the battery in 1/10 of an hour, or 6 minutes. In the previous example, that would be a 40 Amp continuous discharge.

"C" isn't universally defined by the Lipo vendors--sometimes it seems to be a marketing gimmick.

You basically should know that the main limit on a Lipo is how hot it gets during a discharge, and that is what sets the "C" limit. Recall that heating goes as the square of the current (in Amps) * the internal pack resistance. A lower internal resistance pack will have a higher C rating, so that is the physical meaning of "C".

You can stop here and not read the rest!

Another detail is that you can't calculate the heating with "average" current--the current we typically measure with our watt-meters and data recorders. So for an example here, if you are flying at 75% throttle on the ESC and measuring an average current of 40A, the actual current is 40A/0.75 or ~54 Amps for 75% of the time, and 0 Amps for 25% of the time. The heat produced during the off period is just 0 watts, but the heat during the on time is (40/0.75)2 * Rint the internal battery resistance. However since this is only happening 75% of the time, the actual heating is just 402/0.75 * Rint. Notice this is 4/3 (just 1/0.75) times  the heating you would have calculated using the average 40amps.

So looking at the 20C 4000mAHr pack, a 40A discharge would be a 10C discharge. However if you are pulling this at 75% throttle, you are actually heating up the battery pack as if you were making a 13.3C discharge. So partial throttle does exact a higher price on a pack than full throttle (where average amps=instantaneous amps).

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Re: Meaning of "C" rating?
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2009, 06:40:19 PM »
Alan
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Please ignore these unless you are interested.
1. Are our typical meters true rms meters?
2. My understanding is that the brushless ESCs just emit a string of pulses  - is this true?
    If so then at partial throttle its just how many pulses are present. ??

My head aches from thinking about this - I hope yours is better  :)

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Re: Meaning of "C" rating?
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2009, 09:03:24 PM »
Thanks Alan. We should be paying you a consulting fee for all this advice. I did read the whole thing, and may be able to calculate the expected heating of a given battery at a given current draw. If I understand you correctly, in general terms we want a higher C rating in a pack of a given size, to minimize heating and loss of efficiency, e.g. a 40C unit is preferred to a 20C unit rated at the same mAh? And partially to counteract the advertising puffery that may go along with the advertised C rating; buy a 40C cell to improve your chances that it really will perform as would a 30C cell if the advertised rating was real.

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Re: Meaning of "C" rating?
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2009, 09:39:50 PM »
But consider, each C weighs a lot! How many extra ones do you want to carry around?

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Re: Meaning of "C" rating?
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2009, 09:54:52 PM »
I'd say just enough so as not to use to much and not enough to get it to hot!  Mama bear said JUST right. #^ #^ #^ #^ #^
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Re: Meaning of "C" rating?
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2009, 11:17:57 PM »
Hi Larry:

What has Momma Bear decided is just right for the AXI 2826 in your model? Of course you are using those TP lite batteries that only the rich folk can afford. Are you using a 4S battery for the 920kv AXI?

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Re: Meaning of "C" rating?
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2009, 01:32:13 AM »
Alan, it is even worse, that curren going 75% of time out of the battery will go those other 25% of time back to he battery :-)  (via diodes in FET transistors) ... it will be something like back charging current. So theoretically that current in 75% of time must be even higher (to keep that average current 40A). Fortunately we have long leads from batery and large capacitors on ESC acting like a LC filter so it is not so bad in reality.


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