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Offline Steve Hines

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baby clown
« on: March 10, 2011, 07:00:07 PM »
went with a exceed 300-1380 85w 12 amp esc, 100ma 7.2. What size prop should I use. went with the e-flight timer. How long of a flight should I put on the battery? I was told that you do not run them down all the way. the weight is 8 oz with out the battery mount and little motor mounts, they did not come with the kit. I think that the kit should have everything you need not just a cut out in the bottom of the fuse and then call it a electric. If i knew I could have got a different collor and made to cuts. Well live and learn

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Re: baby clown
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2011, 08:48:56 PM »
Steve
I use that motor on a twin profile scale plane. It should turn a 7x5 on a 500mah 3s 20c battery and fly a baby clown pretty well I would think. I currently use 6x5.5 apc's , a 500mah 3s 20c battery(on each motor) and the motors turn 13K. Flight time is hard to compare since I use throttle control. You can set the cutoff voltage on an ESC so the motor will shut down before the battery is damaged so you can play around with the timer duration pretty safely. My simulation program predicts a bit over 5 mins with this setup.  Hope that helps.

John

PS There are some pics and Details of my plane with those motors in this thread. http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?topic=20426.0

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Re: baby clown
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2011, 09:12:46 PM »
Steve,

100mah or did you mean 1000mah?  100 might be rather short flight times.  I use a Rimfire 300-1380 but on 480mah 3s, 11.1v, so I can't give you the exact info you are looking for.  I use an APC 7x4 or 7x5.  I can get 4-5 minutes per charge.

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Re: baby clown
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2011, 04:52:34 AM »
Hi Steve,

FYI - Attached are installation pix of the Brodak components on the Baby Clown,sounds like you used different components but these pix might still give you some ideas.  BTW the timer and ESC were installed using double sided foam tape.

I agree that the 6x5.5 ought to be a pretty good prop for your combo.

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Re: baby clown
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2011, 02:42:10 PM »
tryed to fly the baby clown today, did not fly well. Seems to have no power. tryed a 7-5 would fly but no power broke the prop, tryed a 6-4 would hardly stay in the air tech it only turning 9300 rpm. is this low. any body have any idea's

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Re: baby clown
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2011, 04:37:46 PM »
Try a 3S (11.1 volt) battery. Say a 3S 560mah 20C battery. You should be able to get your RPM up where you can fly the Baby. Be sure that you are not pulling more than 12 AMPs (if that is what your ESC is rated for).
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Re: baby clown
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2011, 06:25:44 PM »
went with a exceed 300-1380 85w 12 amp esc, 100ma 7.2. What size prop should I use. went with the e-flight timer. How long of a flight should I put on the battery? I was told that you do not run them down all the way. the weight is 8 oz with out the battery mount and little motor mounts, they did not come with the kit. I think that the kit should have everything you need not just a cut out in the bottom of the fuse and then call it a electric. If i knew I could have got a different collor and made to cuts. Well live and learn

It sounds like you are using a 2S battery.  If the voltage is 7.2V and the rpm rating is 1380/V the max RPM would be 1380  X 7.2V = 9936 RPM max.  So the 9300 RPM you are getting is about correct for the exceed 300-1380 85w 12 amp esc, 100ma 7.2 you called out above.  I too am new to all this but judging from the other posts you need a 3S battery. Others are saying that a 3S is 11.1 volts.  1380 x 11.1V = 15318 RPM.  The 3s battery should yield 14500 RPM or so.  Also as pointed out do not exceed the 12 amp limit of your speed controller.  By the way the bigger the prop the higher the amps.  So start with a small prop and work your way up.  Regrading flight time - hopefully your speed controller will cut off if the battery voltage gets to low.

By the way Tower has a cheep vot/amp meter

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXZFA7&P=7
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Re: baby clown
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2011, 07:38:55 PM »
I'll second and third what everyone else has said. I have that motor and it definitely needs a 3 cell battery. I have it on a plane that with a 500mah 3s battery and 6x5.5 prop it will turn 13K. The motor should handle 4 cells but the prop would have to be probably a 6x4 or less.

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Re: baby clown
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2011, 08:01:32 PM »
Thanks tryed a 11.1 and it turn 13500 that should be ok. thanks Should have got the higher kv motor, first time with electric, hope the other motor for the rc plane will work

Steve

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Re: baby clown
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2011, 08:06:08 PM »
Steve here are a couple of screen shots from my simulator for 3 s and 4s with 7x5 and 6x4 props respectively thta you may find helpful
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Re: baby clown
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2011, 08:29:59 PM »
Thank John. I did not know what to do buy a higher kv motor or go to higher volts. was thinking about wieght the batters I have know are 1000ma would have to drop down to 500ma with a 11.1 what do you think I should do. I have 3 of the 7.2

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Re: baby clown
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2011, 08:42:29 PM »
If you have 3, 7.2 volt batteries at 500mah, you could run 2 of the batteries in series making a 4 cell. That would be a bit heavier but should be OK as my simulation shows. I think you can get about 5 minutes on a 500mah. I think a 1000mah is bigger than you need. Since you have the batteries I would try the 4 cell setup first. The alpha is a pretty good motor. I really like mine. with the right set up it will fly a 1/2A
OOPs I re-read and it looks like you already have 1000mah batteries. You'll be a bit heavier but I still think it would be OK on 4 cells.

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Re: baby clown
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2011, 07:10:05 PM »
Steve,

I am retracting my comments about running the Alpha 300 on a 4s battery. I did some testing today with an APC 6x4EP, at ¾ throttle I was at 170 watts input power, twice the motor’s rating. And the motor did not sound so good. This does not match the simulations I ran, but the results for a 3s battery are right on. It looks like the max prop/battery is a 7x5 and 3s. I was getting about 9500 rpm static and the prediction is for about 12K in the air. I was at 90watts at full throttle. It might handle a 7x6 but I didn’t test it. As I get the time I will continue to experiment with 4s.

John

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Re: baby clown
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2011, 07:54:03 PM »
Here is a battery to try:

http://www.hobbypartz.com/98p-25c-450-3s1p.html


$4.35 and free shipping (may require a minimum order)

Or you could go with this one (if you are willing to take the weight penalty):

http://www.hobbypartz.com/gensace3s20c.html

Disclaimer: I have not tried these batteries but they have some good reviews in the RC world.

John
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Re: baby clown
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2011, 07:19:32 AM »
I have and use the GensAce batteries, they are great. Just ordered a few more for my Vector.
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