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Offline Bob Hudak

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Contest starting procedure
« on: May 12, 2011, 07:29:32 PM »
When flying an electric airplane at a Control Line contest what is a good starting procedure? Do you have the motor running full power before walking to the handle? Or can you signal your assistant to hit the start button?
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Re: Contest starting procedure
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2011, 07:32:52 PM »
I program my timers to have a 30 second delay before they go to flight rpm.
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Re: Contest starting procedure
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2011, 07:39:19 PM »
Christ,
 So you signal the Judges,hit the start button and walk to the plane while the timer counts down for 30 seconds?
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Re: Contest starting procedure
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2011, 08:43:16 PM »
Yes.
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Re: Contest starting procedure
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2011, 08:59:33 PM »
Paul Walker sets his plane up with a delay, enough so that in normal circumstances he's set and ready to go, and his assistant has released the plane before the motor starts.  Then he puts in a near-perfect flight, and lands.

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Re: Contest starting procedure
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2011, 06:09:01 AM »
This is what I do:     I bring the airplane to the circle, set up my lines, walk back to the airplane.  Battery has been pre-installed and the arming switch is out.
my assistant holds the airplane, and I plug in the arming switch to activate the electronics. the ESC gives back a series of audible chirps to indicate
that everything is ready to go.  I listen carefully to those audible tones. if I forgot to plug in the ESC to my FM-9 timer, the last tone is missing, indicating
that I messed up last time I made an rpm adjustment, and forgot to re-connect the ESC to the timer, or something else is askew.  I can stop now,  
go back to the pits and troubleshoot the problem, and  not be charged for an attempt.  If everything is OK, I signal the judges, they start the clock, I push the button to
start ignition sequence, and walk to my handle (do not run).  I allowed 30 seconds on the timer to do this. Once I get to my handle and am ready, I signal
my assistant to back away from the model.  I wait for the prop to turn, and begin my pattern.  I like the model alone on the field during takeoff as
I think it looks more realistic.
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Re: Contest starting procedure
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2011, 10:33:29 AM »
Guys,

At a contest, it seems best to have an assistant hold the airplane, pilot signals the judges to start the flight time clock, engage the motor start switch, walk to handle and get into safety thong. At that point you can have the assistant let go of the ship, motor starts and you take off and do the flight. This avoids anyone claiming that you don't have control of the ship before are at the handle.

For me when flying in grass or if the wind if high, I have the assistant hold the ship until the motor spools up then have him release the ship. This eliminates any problems with the ship getting stuck in the grass or nosing over.

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Re: Contest starting procedure
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2011, 06:34:29 PM »
Ther have been folks who have damaged airplanes using the slow motor spool-up and flying off grass.

I use the medium spool-up and minimum delay.  My pitman pushes the start button when I pick up the handle, then holds on until the mtor sppols up enough to make thrust, then releases when HE thinks its time.  Motor is still spooling up through roll and liftoff.  On a grass field or on a windy day my helper will hold on just a little long than on pavement, but always launches before the motor is up to full speed. 
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Re: Contest starting procedure
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2011, 06:39:35 AM »
Ther have been folks who have damaged airplanes using the slow motor spool-up and flying off grass.

What happened? I use a very slow spool up ever since I had a mishap during take off and the model nosed over, it fell back onto the tail skid pointing straight at me. ~^ Fortunately I was not alone and my helper ran over and switched it off before it spooled up again. I do a fair amount of flying alone and I figured (Rightly or wrongly) the very slow spool up at least gave me a fighting chance of getting to the model myself before the motor spooled up enough to start rolling if it happened again.

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Re: Contest starting procedure
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2011, 01:46:51 PM »
John,
I don't think the spool-up rate is as important as having the motor power pretty close to full power before release when flying off grass or in high wind. If you are flying alone on course or tallish grass you need to use a stooge that allows you to hold the airplane until the power is up so it will accelerate smoothly. Also, you may need to use a little bigger wheels. I went from 2" to 2 1/4" and have not had any issues.

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Re: Contest starting procedure
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2011, 04:48:11 PM »
Aha, OK I don't think bigger wheels would have helped much during my incident. The inboard wheel went down a hole during the roll out which spun the model towards me as it nosed over. I tend to dispense with trying to do a nice take off when I'm just down the field now and get it in the air as quickly as possible. I generally tend to fly smaller models at the moment (It was a CG Buster which I was flying at that particular time). So I am at the mercy of ground conditions a lot more than most. But I take on board your comments, I'll possibly try some bigger wheels but even the 2" ones I use at the moment make it look a bit like an Alaskan bush racer.

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Re: Contest starting procedure
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2011, 11:20:21 PM »
John H:
You may remember Alan Hahn who used to be on this forum but has since left.  I think he twice had incidents were during sppol-up his airplane got tangle up in the grass enough to get turned about such that he basically crashed on take-off.  Sounds like you had a near-miss that could have one very badly!

My Pathfinder twin was severely damaged when launching un-attended - and this happened to a trike gear on pavement.  My nephew was at the handle I hit the start button and walked away, thinking I'd see a nice acceleration to take-off speed.  However, according to the ICE data, the outboard motor spooled up just a little faster than the inboard - enough to get it turned toward the center - not good... 
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