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Offline Jim Moffatt

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Airfoil Efficiency Test
« on: January 30, 2011, 05:05:11 PM »
About 3 weeks ago I decided to compare  the efficiency of a stunt type airfoil with a simple flat plate. I used two Brodak Baby Clowns. The picture below shows the planes. The red plane is a stock Baby Clown Arf converted to electric power. The blue plane is a Baby Clown frame with a 3/8" foam flat-plate wing cut to the standard outline. The foam wing has a rounded leading edge and about 1" taper at the trailing edge.

Both planes were consecutively flown on 42' lines with Suppo 2212-13 motors, governor speed controls, and 8x8 APC thin E props.

With the governors set to 7,000 rpm the lap time for the plane with the stunt airfoil was 4.0 sec. The flat plate airfoil lap time was 4.5 sec. A few calculations (V = cube root of power) show the poorer performance of the flat plate would require about 42% more power to fly a 4.0 sec lap. Thats quite a difference!

This was not intended to be an in-depth comparison but simply a fun quick test with available airframes.
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Re: Airfoil Efficiency Test
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2011, 06:04:59 PM »
Is that a servo on the elevator?

 ???   ???   ???   ???   #^  

Also is the weight colse to the same?
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Offline Jim Moffatt

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Re: Airfoil Efficiency Test
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2011, 06:33:15 PM »
There is a servo.  :)   I tie my planes to a tripod with a single line and control them RC style from outside the circle. At 68 years old I get too dizzy to fly conventional CL. That time passed about 5 years ago.   :(

Surprisingly the stunt airfoil plane all-up weight was 10.0 oz and the slab wing 8.5. I attribute this to the covering used on the stock plane. The slab wing plane had no covering. I have a book on Model Airplane Aerodynamics and maximum airspeed is independent of weight in the books equations. The plane stops accelerating when the drag = thrust.


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Re: Airfoil Efficiency Test
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2011, 08:00:28 AM »
Jim.
Don't know if you are still flying CL from the inside but on the dizziness one thing that I have used (I can spin all day counter clockwise but when I flip inverted if I haven't been flying for some period of time it gets me) is Ginger capsules from the local Vitemen shop. I am not a doctor so this is only my own experience. Ginger has been shown to be as effective as Dramamine for motion sickness (also was tested on Myth Busters and worked). Also just plain old Ginger Ale works as well as Ginger snap cookies, just takes more you have to see what amount works for you.

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Re: Airfoil Efficiency Test
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2011, 06:36:51 PM »
Jim, the speed is at least marginally dependent on weight, since the wing needs a higher angle of attack, generating more drag.  The uncovered foam on the slab wing is probably a big part of the extra load.  Since the power is pretty close to identical(the prop might be slipping a bit more at a slightly slower speed or something else funky), the half a second per lap is a very big difference on the slab plane.

The radio is a neat idea.  Maybe somebody can come up with a way of interfacing a Wii controller to the transmitter so you can just use it like a handle.

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Re: Airfoil Efficiency Test
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2011, 05:46:47 AM »
John

Excellent trial. Now we know why all the indoor f3P foamies are plate wings You need to go slow. The difference in your results is purely drag from the non airfoiled wing. Good job!

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Re: Airfoil Efficiency Test
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2011, 12:05:21 PM »
I can spin all day counter clockwise but when I flip inverted if I haven't been flying for some period of time it gets me

I thought I was the only person to experience this. 
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Re: Airfoil Efficiency Test
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2011, 07:57:34 PM »
I thought I was the only person to experience this. 

I've been flying stunt for almost 50 years and still stumble from one foot to the other getting set for the outside loops. Flew a LOT of rat race any never had a dizzy moment..

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Re: Airfoil Efficiency Test
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2011, 10:57:46 PM »
Sounds like we're all getting a little on the old side! I can also back up the fact that ginger is certainly one of the best cures for motion sickness and interestingly enough, it really helps to prevent migraines as well. I have never liked the taste of ginger at all, but I hate migraines a lot more, and I get the capsules now, so the taste is no problem.

Thanks to Jim for posting the test on such basic models. The round-the-pole system is a neat idea especially with the 1/2A stuff where you spin around so fast.
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