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Offline John Cralley

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Pat Johnston Ringmaster 526 Morphed into a full body Twin
« on: September 06, 2013, 04:43:09 PM »
I have wanted to build an electric twin for several of years and last year I got the idea of using one of Pat Johnston's RM 526 short kits as a basis for building one.

I induced Pat King to design the full fuselage and nacelles and he got Eric Rule of RSM Distribution to laser cut the parts. So last I started the build and all went along well until I tried to figure out how to install the battery and control components in the fuselage. Pat's fuselage was just a tad too tight to get the parts installed. So the plane sat for a year while I pondered how to make the installation work.

Finally, I decided to either fish or cut bait and I opened up the width of the fuselage and increased the depth over the wing area by an inch and a quarter. Now there was enough room to squeeze in the battery and ESC controllers!! A second problem was how to get air to circulate over the components for cooling so I extended the nose and tacked on an air scoop to bring in fresh air. The air can exit via another air duct under the rear of the fuselage. I will add a number of photos so that you can see how the build progressed. So far the model only has three flights but promises to be a fun flier after it is trimmed out.
John Cralley
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Re: Pat Johnston Ringmaster 526 Morphed into a full body Twin
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2013, 04:51:19 PM »
Here are some photos of the build of the 526 Twin Ringmaster.
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Re: Pat Johnston Ringmaster 526 Morphed into a full body Twin
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2013, 04:57:24 PM »
With the wing finished I turned to the fuselage and nacelles.
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Re: Pat Johnston Ringmaster 526 Morphed into a full body Twin
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2013, 05:03:32 PM »
Battery mounting plates were needed and then it was coming together.
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Re: Pat Johnston Ringmaster 526 Morphed into a full body Twin
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2013, 05:16:26 PM »
Some of you may have seen this model at the Brodak Fly-In where Joe Gilbert and I each put up one flight. Joe allowed as how she would stunt but needed a host of trim issues (more tip weight, faster lap times, correct for nose heavy, longer lines (we flew on 60 foot eye to eye lines) etc!!

Since this is a tricycle gear model I had no stooge and I have been trying to get schedules to match with the two other local control line fliers ever since Brodaks meet. Last night I broke down and made a stooge for the twin and today I put up the third flight.

Here are the current specks for the Twin:

The model has two Castle Creations Phoenix 45 ESCs (set to governor high), a pair of Turnigy Air L3537 840KV motors set to counter rotate APC 9 x 6 props meeting at the bottom (Sparky assured me at Brodak's that I would be switching them to meet at the top  ;D). I am using a Turnigy Nano Tech 4S 25C 2650 mah battery and the weight (less spinners) comes in at 63.75 oz. Hubin FM-9 timer with remote start button and I fabricated an arming plug using XT60 plugs. As an aside, I am gradually converting all of my plugs to XT60 which I like much better than Deans plugs. With a wing area of 526 this is no light weight since it comes in as 17 oz per sq foot. By my calculations a regular S-1 Ringmaster is about 10-11 oz per sq foot. The twin motors impose a weight penalty since each weighs in at 4.17 oz and you must add in  the extra wire, extra prop, extra ESC etc. I might be able to get by with smaller motors but we will see about that later.

Today, I cranked the rpm up to around 10,000 and moved the battery back one inch to move back the CG. Still I flew it on 60' lines and had plenty of line tension. Today's solo was a bit of a fiasco and I will explain in the nest post.
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Re: Pat Johnston Ringmaster 526 Morphed into a full body Twin
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2013, 05:19:49 PM »
This is my story and I'm sticking to it!!!!
 
For the last two months I have been trying to get together with Jim Swearingen and Jerry Worden to fly trim flights for my electric twin. I got tired of these guys never being able to get together to fly with me and when they canceled out the flying session scheduled for yesterday evening I gave up!!
I spent yesterday evening building a stooge for the twin. The problem with the twin was how to hold it since it has tricycle landing gear!! I remembered seeing someone had made a stooge with two upright poles that the held back the front of the elevator on either side of the fuselage so that seemed to be the way to go for the twin. I found some PVC water pipe that seemed about right plus a couple of elbows (as you may know I NEVER throw anything away, CAUSE I might NEED it some day).

Well to make a long story short a stooge was born and this morning around 11:00 AM I took the twin out to a local cricket field figuring I could use the Astroturf down the center of the field (where the wickets go) for a runway. Taking off down the length of the Astroturf would make me have to climb over a darn berm on the north side of the field and I was too lazy to go back to get the hard board sheets (4x8 sheet cut into 4 2x4 pieces) that I use for a runway, so I set up to take off across the cricket field Astroturf. I reset the rpm for the motors up to around 10,000 and moved the battery back to make it less nose heavy, set the timer for 2 minutes and pushed the start button.

My plan was to get a lap speed by timing ten laps and I also set my talking timer to 2 minutes so it could tell me when time was running out. The motors spun up and I pulled the stooge line. It didn't quite make it off on the ten feet or so of the Astroturf but it was almost airborne and I did not mow any grass to speak of. In the throws of WHEE we are flying the twin I forgot to start the talking timer so I did not know how the time was going! Anyway, I eagerly started my stopwatch to get the lap count. About then I remembered the talking timer and decided better late than never so activated it (knowing that I would have time left on it when the motors stopped). Great, now I remembered I was supposed to be counting laps and I had no idea of where we were in that regard! One thing I did know, she was pulling like a draft horse and seemed to be still nose heavy because I need to keep some up on the handle to stay level. I fooled around and got the stop watch reset and started again and after about six or seven laps the motors did their rpm blip to signal 5 to 6 seconds before shutdown! That warning blip worked really well and I made a nice (for me great) rolling landing - love those tricycle gear. Naturally I forgot to stop the stopwatch so I have no idea of the lap speed. I was on 60 foot lines and I know she needs longer lines.

With the new stooge, I can sneak over to a softball diamond at Fairview Park (two blocks from my house) and put in some early morning flights. Right now I'm going to pour a big glass of wine and celebrate the start of trimming the 526 Ringmaster Twin!!!  y1  y1  ;D
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Re: Pat Johnston Ringmaster 526 Morphed into a full body Twin
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2013, 07:58:33 PM »
John,
 I'm a witness to your maiden flight at Brodaks. This birds gonna fly good when you get it trimmed out. I thought I was the only one using the red fiberboard for battery plates.
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Re: Pat Johnston Ringmaster 526 Morphed into a full body Twin
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2013, 08:30:57 PM »
Very innovative John.  See you next month at Burlington.
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Re: Pat Johnston Ringmaster 526 Morphed into a full body Twin
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2013, 09:57:15 AM »
Well the first mishap for the twin happened yesterday!! I took her out to a local softball diamond and setup with my stooge. Armed the electric system and went to the handle for takeoff. Motors spooled up and I released the model. Then the motors sagged down in rpm and I taxied about across the infield when the motors shut down. This left me with a bit of a dilemma because the model was armed and I could not be sure that it would not fire up again at anytime!! finally I walked myself to the model holding the lines as I went and was able to disarm the electric system. Flying alone from a stooge has its dangers but it is what I have to do because I cannot seem to recruit local fellow fliers to team up with me very often.

Well fine and now I got stupid! I decided to give it another try and set up with the stooge again. I armed the electric system again and all the right beeps sounded so back to the handle. This time I was equipped with a screw driver to peg the handle to the ground in case the taxi and die scenario was repeated. She spooled up to flight rpm and I released from the stooge. Took off and got about 20 feet when the motors BOTH (thank God) stopped cold!! It did not have enough air speed to set up a decent glide and pancaked in hard. The impact tore the out board nacelle loose from the wing and bent the nose gear. No other damage as far as I can determine.

I'm not sure what is going on but when I tried to check the programming of the two Castle Creations Phoenix 45 ESCs, one was fine and the other would not connect to the computer. I will have to check that one out. I checked the battery plug and replaced it but I don't think that it was the problem.

Once, before maiden flight of this model I was setting the rpm and fired it up to see how the pull felt. The motors RPM sagged and I shut it down. Then I tried again and it worked just fine. Right now I suspect the one ESC and I also will check ALL the wires for good solid solder connections.

The nacelle is gluing back on as I type and I will post an update as to what I find out about this later.
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Re: Pat Johnston Ringmaster 526 Morphed into a full body Twin
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2013, 09:19:49 AM »
Well a bit of an update on the motor cut out described above. The nacelle is now back in place and I have removed the battery mounting plates to check the wiring. Turns out the BEC wires (also throttle circuit) were mashed between the rear battery mounting plate and a spruce cross member with blind nuts used the screws that secure the mounting plate. I smoothed out the wires and now both ECSs accepted programming. I am speculating that possibly the BEC circuit was compromised and power to the timer became interrupted which would cause the motors to stop. That points to the BEC cable of the ESC that is supplying the voltage to the timer.

At this point I am going to remove the ESCs and test for continuity between the BEC plugs and the ESCs. What is still a mystery to me is that on the first flight attempt the motors gradually lost RPM and then stopped where as on the second attempt the RPM was fine until a sudden stop. I am worried that there may be two things going on here.

I will do more troubleshooting over the weekend.
John Cralley
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