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Offline Larry Wong

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ESC Phoenix 45
« on: December 25, 2009, 08:52:41 PM »
Well another miss hap in the flight of electrics...  This time it was my Phoenix 45 after replacing a NEW AXI 2826/10 New replacement from last flight mishap, after 2 laps in flight my ESC went up in smoke, landed and pulled plug it was toast.after checking AXI motor for any problems it look and check out ok, installed another ESC wit no problems Hummmm !well I guess I will try to have it repaired.  Might be an ICE on order nextime..... ??? ??? ???
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Re: ESC Phoenix 45
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2009, 01:50:13 PM »
One issue with electrics is that a problem with one component can cause another component to fail.

If the previous motor caused a lot of current to flow in the ESC, it could cause some of the FETs to fail. Now the next time you fly, the remaining FETs have to carry the whole load.

In other words, maybe your first AXI failure broke enough FETs that your Phoenix 45 became a Phoenix 25 (or less). Then the next flight with the new motor draws a normal amount of current, but the degraded ESC can't handle even that amount and the remaining FET's go up in smoke.

I am not too sure how to check the ESC after an incident to know if it is ok.

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Re: ESC Phoenix 45
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2009, 02:06:04 PM »
I have had an ESC go up in smoke on a subsequent flight following a crash. I wonder if some of the FETs blew before the auto shutdown occurred at the time of the crash?? It was a cheap ESC so I just attributed it to having come to the end of its life or being overrated as to its capacity. Humm!!

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Re: ESC Phoenix 45
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2009, 02:28:42 PM »
Alan:
 I had 6 flights today and it was fine now I think you are right about the motor & ESC combo problem. All is well on ECL I contack Castle creation about repair or warrentie,   If I had to get a Ice 50 is it about the same with P/c capabilities?
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Re: ESC Phoenix 45
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2009, 09:15:42 AM »
Guys,

This brings up a good point for discussion. After a crash or even a prop hit (nose over) that causes the motor to stop what can we check to insure we don't lose the whole ship in the middle of a wingover on the next few flights? I have had a couple situations that have cause the motor to be stopped and always thought the high current protection would shut down the system before damage occurred. I have always used the factory setting on high current but is this enough or should be set it lower?

So far the system protection has worked for me but without a way of checking what could have been fried even slightly we are exposed to a serious weakness in the system.

Only other thing that might be worth looking into is a fuse link.

Best,              Dennis

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Re: ESC Phoenix 45
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2009, 09:29:32 AM »
Alan:
 I had 6 flights today and it was fine now I think you are right about the motor & ESC combo problem. All is well on ECL I contack Castle creation about repair or warrentie,   If I had to get a Ice 50 is it about the same with P/c capabilities?

Larry,
The Ice 50 Lite is about the same--although it is a bit larger than the Phoenix 45 (mainly due to the heat sink on the BEC I think and the thicker gauge wires). Of course the built in logging capability is really neat.

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Re: ESC Phoenix 45
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2009, 09:35:55 AM »
Guys,

This brings up a good point for discussion. After a crash or even a prop hit (nose over) that causes the motor to stop what can we check to insure we don't lose the whole ship in the middle of a wingover on the next few flights? I have had a couple situations that have cause the motor to be stopped and always thought the high current protection would shut down the system before damage occurred. I have always used the factory setting on high current but is this enough or should be set it lower?

So far the system protection has worked for me but without a way of checking what could have been fried even slightly we are exposed to a serious weakness in the system.

Only other thing that might be worth looking into is a fuse link.

Best,              Dennis

Dennis,

I am not sure if a fuse is really fast enough to keep the ESC from damaging itself---but I don't know for sure. At least in CL, if the fuse blows, you still have control (unlike in RC where you would lose receiver power too. I assume the fuse is on the battery. Of course you would need a 45-50A fuse, depending on the ESC you are using.

Rather than a fuse, I think simply running the system through a run cycle on the ground should turn up any stresses. Of course the main issue is whether you should leave the original prop on---which in my case tends to load it statically as much as I see in the heavy maneuvers during actual flying. Maybe just do a one minute run with the flying prop is enough to see if anything will "pop". If the system is weak, maybe that would do it.


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