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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #200 on: February 24, 2016, 11:54:30 AM »
Was the plane too damage to graft a new nose on?   I know when my P-47 went in on maiden flight, I too many pieces to pick up and internal pieces was unbelievable.

No Doc, it wasn't too damaged.  Just the front end.  It was heavy and I didn't have the heart to rebuild the front end.  I ended up giving it away.
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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #201 on: February 24, 2016, 12:55:34 PM »
I sprayed a coat of clear to seal the white after I wet sanded the white using some worn 600 grit.  For the clear I'm using SIG Lite-Coat clear.  I used 2 oz of dope, 1 oz of retarder, and 6 oz of DuPont 3608S thinner.  It went on real well and flowed out very nicely.  I'll let this dry over night to be sure I have good adhesion, then a light wet sanding with 600 grit then I'll be ready for the red trim.  I'll let you know what the weight of the clear coat was tomorrow after sanding.

I use the clear as a sealer coat for the white because when I spray on the red and blue trim colors, then when I wet sand the edges the slurry will "tint" the white.

Here's a "teaser" pic of the canopy!
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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #202 on: February 24, 2016, 02:17:52 PM »
Flawless work...

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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #203 on: February 24, 2016, 04:58:05 PM »
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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #204 on: February 24, 2016, 05:09:13 PM »
Thanks guys.  Greg, I laughed out loud!
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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #205 on: February 24, 2016, 06:29:40 PM »
Give me a break!

Increase safety margin!  Ha!

 No kidding. Some people just don't get it Crist, or read first, or listen, or...  D>K
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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #206 on: February 24, 2016, 06:46:07 PM »
Here's a "teaser" pic of the canopy!

Now that's why i asked you about that in the PM! That's so smooth, it looks like molded plastic. It's beautiful!
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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #207 on: February 24, 2016, 09:49:36 PM »
Wayne, Yeah I know........

Dane, Thanks.  P.S. You know there's a plastic canopy under there!   :)
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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #208 on: February 25, 2016, 03:32:11 PM »
I thought I'd share the equipment I use when spray painting my models.

I use a cheapie $20 HVLP Touch Up gun from Harbor Freight to spray the white and clear coats.

I use a Badger 250 "Spray Gun" for the red and blue trim colors.  I also use this when inking to clear coat the ink lines as I go.

I use a Badger 350 single action airbrush to frost the canopy and apply the de-ice boot to the fin LE.

I also have a 2 HP 8 gallon Harbor Freight less than $100 air compressor that I use.

I use 3M fine line tape from the 471+ family.  This stuff is great.  Great adhesion and very flexable to make a tight radius like the aft portion of my windows.  But pretty pricey like $11 a roll at Walmart.com.  Good stuff and worth every penny.  You spend months building and finishing a model and blow it on paint lines?  No way with this stuff.  1/4 inch stuff shown in the picture.  I mostly use 1/8.

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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #209 on: February 25, 2016, 03:39:53 PM »
I forgot to weigh the model after sanding the clear sealer coat before I sprayed on the red.  I think it was only 2 or 3 grams.

I sprayed on the red trim today.  I use SIG Fokker Red for that nice deep blood red color.  I used my Badger 250 spray gun.  I used 2 oz of Fokker Red, a little retarder, and about 6 oz of DuPont 3608S thinner.  The dope has to be pretty thin to spray using this spray gun.

I'll weight it tomorrow after clearing off the "flash" and doing a light sanding.  Tomorrow the blue!



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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #210 on: February 26, 2016, 12:25:53 PM »
Today I sprayed the blue on the bottom.  I mix 3 parts SIG Dark Blue and 1 part Miami Blue to get a color that matches the Sapphire Blue Monokote trim.  I added some retarder and thinner like I did with the red and used my Badger 250 spray gun.  Tomorrow I'll do the stripes and weigh the model.  My guess I added a few grams of blue.

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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #211 on: February 27, 2016, 04:44:51 PM »
This afternoon I sprayed on the side stripes.  I used my blue paint.  I used 1/4 inch tape and just followed along the bottom of the red and then I used small pieces of 1/4 tape to space the painted part of the stripe.  Again I used my Badger 250 spray gun.

Tomorrow I'll clean off the flash and wet sand the red and blue color trim and feather the paint lines.  After that I'll mask off and frost the canopy.

Then on to the clear coats.

So far from bare balsa through the stripes The finish weighs 69 grams.


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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #212 on: February 28, 2016, 04:36:13 PM »

 Lookin' good! y1
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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #213 on: February 28, 2016, 08:37:18 PM »
Lookin' good! y1

Thanks Wayne.

I'll get to the canopy tomorrow.
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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #214 on: February 29, 2016, 11:55:25 AM »
The canopy is frosted!

I outline the canopy "framework" with 3M 471+ 1/8 fine line tape.  On the "windshield" frame I like to put a taper as it goes to the bottom of the frame work.  It seems to add some "beefiness" to the structure and looks authentic.  Once taped and masked off I use my Badger 350 single action airbrush to very lightly go over the whole area to begin the frosting.  I usually do this with the airbrush a little bit further a way from the canopy.  I try to get individual dots of paint.  I don't over do this.  A little goes a long way.  Otherwise you'll end up with a darker canopy.  Once the whole area is "spotted" I readjust my airbrush to give me a nice small "foggy" type of pattern.  I then go all around the outline and up the vertical frame work.  I usually start off the canopy and move the airbrush onto the area I want sprayed.  Again, I go with just a little at a time and go around several times till I get what I want.  When that's done, I then go to the corners and spray a small radius of frosting onto each one.  You can see what I mean in the pictures.  Remember what Windy would say, "less is more".  Don't over do it.  Under do it is better.  

After I unmask the canopy, I then spray on a coat of clear to protect the "fragile" frosting.  

The frosting seems to darken after a coat or 2 of clear, that's why you don't want to over do it.

Then once that is dry, I'll spray the whole model with a coat of clear to seal all the colors and trim.  Then it'll be on to the inking.  Stay tuned!
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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #215 on: February 29, 2016, 12:08:54 PM »
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« Reply #216 on: February 29, 2016, 10:30:21 PM »
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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #217 on: March 01, 2016, 08:22:13 AM »
This morning I wet sanded the clear sealer coat using 1000 grit sandpaper.  The seal coat of clear added 5 grams.  Total weight so far is 74 grams.

The model is now ready for inking later today.  Getting close.
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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #218 on: March 01, 2016, 08:53:13 PM »
I inked the model tonight.  I use Staedtler pigment liner.  These pens are acid free and archival quality ink. I've used these pens on models 10 years old and the ink lines have not faded.  Good stuff.

After wet sanding the sealer coat I then ink the panel lines and rivets.  When I make a mistake the ink can be "erased" with some Q-Tips and rubbing alcohol.

Next up the clear top coats.  I'll spray on at least 2 and probably 4.  We'll see what the weight increase goes with each coat.
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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #219 on: March 02, 2016, 06:48:49 PM »
 Today I sprayed on 2 clear coats.  I'm guessing that the SIG Clear Lite-Coat dope was thinned to about 1/3 dope 2/3 thinner.  I added a little retarder and some Dave Brown Flex-All to the mixture.  I use the Flex-All only on the top coats.

It's been several hours since I sprayed and I did a quick weight check.  Looks like 8 grams were added and it's still gassing off.  Total finish so far is 82 grams.

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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #220 on: March 02, 2016, 08:35:02 PM »

 How "touchy" or prone to running is the Staedtler ink when you're spraying the clear over it?
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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #221 on: March 02, 2016, 10:40:23 PM »
How "touchy" or prone to running is the Staedtler ink when you're spraying the clear over it?

Not too bad.  I let the line air dry for about 1 minute then spray on some clear with my Badger 250 spray gun.  Then after that I can put on a fairly heavy medium coat of clear without any problems using my HF HVLP gun.
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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #222 on: March 03, 2016, 01:18:40 PM »
I wet sanded the first 2 coats with 1200 grit sandpaper. Then I shot the final 2 coats of clear today.  Both went on very smooth and laid out very well.  Very happy with the finish.  I'll let it gas out for a few days then work on getting the motor and electrics mounted.  Then in a few weeks, I'll wet sand and start the rubbing out process.
Total weight of the finish was 90 grams.  20 gram over budget which was 15 grams under estimated!  Might make 49 ounces total ready to fly.  Realistically more like 50 ounces.  We'll see.

I started the finish on Feb.11th.  3 weeks ago today.
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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #223 on: March 03, 2016, 09:07:14 PM »
 Can't say I see a need to rub it out. ;D
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« Reply #224 on: March 04, 2016, 05:36:27 PM »
The length of this build is taking on Howard Rush proportions. One the other hand, making it right is just making it right.
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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #225 on: March 04, 2016, 06:50:31 PM »
I got another Spin 44 NIB today.  Tomorrow I'll wire it up.

I also made up a new set of .015 x 63 feet eye to eye lines and spruced up one of my handles.

Maybe tomorrow I'll dry fit the airplane and get a decent weight for it.  It'll be close to 49 oz!
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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #226 on: March 05, 2016, 10:11:14 PM »
I installed the electrics tonight.  I removed the black battery wire from the ESC and added a longer wire and shortened the timer wires.  There is no need for a pile of spaghetti in the area!

Igor would be pleased, I put the heat sink up into the "breeze" and the attaching Dual Lock on the component side.  :)

Lots of room for cooling air.  It does get hot here in the Dallas area!

Tomorrow I'll add the battery hold down and the hatch release.

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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #227 on: March 06, 2016, 10:50:00 PM »
Well today I decided to redo the my mods to the ESC.  I took off the heat shrink and used a 7/8 x 1 piece of 1/16 ply on the component side so the Dual Lock would have a nice flat area to stick to.  I also tied off the timer and switch wires to the capacitors.  This will give a better strain relief.  I then used some clear heat shrink over the whole ESC.  I then added the Dual Lock to the "bottom" of the ESC for mounting.

I then made up my hatch release.  It consists of some 5/32 and 1/8 O.D. aluminum tubing, some very short lengths of 3/32 music wire and 2 wheel collars.  The 5/32 tubing was glued to a piece of 1/8 square balsa and glued to the aft bulkhead.  I then made up the plunger using the 1/8 tubing and the small 3/32 music wire was used inside the 1/8 tubing where the wheel collar set screw goes.  In use the hatch is held in place using 2 strong magnets and when ready to open the hatch, I just reach underneath and find the plunger and push up.  This pops the hatch off.

I also cut off the excess axle length on the main lading gear and mounted the wheels.  I estimated the MLG at 50 grams and it came in at 48 grams.

Tomorrow the battery hold down.

I included some side pictures of the ESC switch and the arming plug receptacle.
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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #228 on: March 07, 2016, 12:45:18 PM »
I had bad luck with the Pigment Liner pens. It reacted badly to House of Kolor catalyzed polyurethane topcoat. Such is life.
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« Reply #229 on: March 07, 2016, 02:54:02 PM »
I had bad luck with the Pigment Liner pens. It reacted badly to House of Kolor catalyzed polyurethane topcoat. Such is life.

I've had zero problems with SIG dope for the 15 years I've been flying stunt.  I tried another brand and had problems about 10 years ago.  I went right back to SIG and never looked back.
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« Reply #230 on: March 07, 2016, 02:58:43 PM »
Yea, I've used Certified and Randolphs for years. No issues. This was a catalyzed polyurethane that reacted to something in the ink. Rare occurrence. I never had problems with Rapidograph or Micron Pigma pens. So, I'll just go back to using those.
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« Reply #231 on: March 07, 2016, 08:07:49 PM »
Yea, I've used Certified and Randolphs for years. No issues. This was a catalyzed polyurethane that reacted to something in the ink. Rare occurrence. I never had problems with Rapidograph or Micron Pigma pens. So, I'll just go back to using those.

That's what cool about our hobby, you use what works for you!  Many different ways to get there.
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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #232 on: March 07, 2016, 08:51:20 PM »
On the arming plug, did you just glue a deans connector into a piece of plywood or can you get them with a flange?


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« Reply #233 on: March 07, 2016, 09:09:43 PM »
On the arming plug, did you just glue a deans connector into a piece of plywood or can you get them with a flange?


Thanks,
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I just epoxied it to the plywood.
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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #234 on: March 08, 2016, 08:34:38 PM »
I finished the battery hold down, sealed the hinge lines, and hinged the rudder.  I still have to apply my AMA numbers, get a spinner, and hook up the adjustable rudder linkage.  The spinner and linkage are on order so it'll be a week before that gets done.

I did install a beat up spinner and prop and weighed the model.  It weighed 51.6 oz.  My budget was for 50.3 oz.  I checked the CG and it balanced out at 15% MAC.  I'm considering getting a Cobra 3510.24 820Kv motor for the model.  It weighs 1 1/4 oz less which will help move the CG back about 1/8 inch to about 17%.  We'll see how it flies first.

Pictures to come when it is all done.  It does look good though!
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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #235 on: March 10, 2016, 07:02:00 AM »
I really like your super clean electrical installation.  I like how you shortened the wires and eliminated at least one set of connectors but you still have good access & serviceability.   

Another wonderful project from the Rigotti Works.  Thanks for bringing us along for the ride.   CLP** BW@ 010!
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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #236 on: March 10, 2016, 07:32:05 AM »
Total finish so far is 82 grams.
82 grams, does this include the film on wings & tail, or just the dope on fuse & rudder ?
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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #237 on: March 10, 2016, 08:27:44 AM »
I really like your super clean electrical installation.  I like how you shortened the wires and eliminated at least one set of connectors but you still have good access & serviceability.   

Another wonderful project from the Rigotti Works.  Thanks for bringing us along for the ride.   CLP** BW@ 010!

Thanks Dennis.  I hope you enjoyed the ride!
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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #238 on: March 10, 2016, 08:31:45 AM »
82 grams, does this include the film on wings & tail, or just the dope on fuse & rudder ?


Hi Allan,
The 82 grams is just for the doped areas.  The fuselage, fin, and rudder.  I'm sure the finish could have been made lighter, but with me coming in under budget on the construction phase I felt it wasn't all that critical.  If you look at my weight and balance sheet the weights for the wing, stab, flaps, and elevators all include the Monokote, horns, hinges, and flap push rod.  It's just the way I do it.
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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #239 on: March 10, 2016, 06:07:06 PM »
It is his way.   You ought to see some of the stuff people do when building and finishing a plane.   Plus I like it. VD~
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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #240 on: March 10, 2016, 08:38:55 PM »
Motor man,
You comments are way out of line.

Crist has been showing one of the best building sequences that I have seen. We all have different ways of doing things, and there is room for us all to learn how the other guy does it.  No one is saying that their way is better or worse. If you think your method is better,do it your way.
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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #241 on: March 10, 2016, 09:38:36 PM »
Don't get what, that you like to bully people on the internet? He's gluing to monokote (why) then making up for it by using a big fillet of fiberglass and epoxy and half the glass is over monokote too. I guess it's strong enough but what's wrong with ending the covering at the outside of the fuselage then gluing wood to wood? Isn't that the way most people do it? Is there some compelling reason for this method?
 
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 Never mind MM, you just go ahead and keep doing it your way and Crist will continue his way. I've seen many of his finished models, all are superbly finished and are way more than strong enough everywhere.
 
 There is nothing wrong with wood-to-wood but it isn't absolutely necessary. There's no need to overthink it. Did I say there's no need to overthink it?
 Myself, I cover and finish the wing with Polyspan and dope and then give that finished surface just a light scuff with 320 before epoxying it into the fuselage. After that it gets an Aero-Fil fillet all the way around. I'm 100% confident that you could drive over the finished model with a dump truck and the joint itself would still be intact.
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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #242 on: March 12, 2016, 09:42:50 AM »
Hi Allan,
The 82 grams is just for the doped areas.  The fuselage, fin, and rudder.  I'm sure the finish could have been made lighter, but with me coming in under budget on the construction phase I felt it wasn't all that critical.  If you look at my weight and balance sheet the weights for the wing, stab, flaps, and elevators all include the Monokote, horns, hinges, and flap push rod.  It's just the way I do it.
Will you be posting and update of your 2016 W&B file reflecting the finished model ?
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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #243 on: March 15, 2016, 08:13:24 PM »
Allan,
Yeah, I sure will.  It's almost done.
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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #244 on: March 15, 2016, 08:14:58 PM »
Looks like the weather will be good enough for the first flights on Wednesday!  A full report tomorrow.  Batteries fully charged, spinner and rudder linkage done.
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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #245 on: March 15, 2016, 09:24:55 PM »
Looks like the weather will be good enough for the first flights on Wednesday!  A full report tomorrow.  Batteries fully charged, spinner and rudder linkage done.

 Is the nut on the handle tight? ;D
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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #246 on: March 16, 2016, 08:25:40 PM »
I flew it this morning.  Four 1 minute flight followed by a 2 1/2 minute flight.  The first 2 1 minute flights got the handle neutral setting and the wins level, the second 2 1 minute flights got the turn rate equal on insides and outsides.  The 2 1/2 minute flight was exploring inside/outside loops and H8's. The wind was coming up when I was at the circle and the last flight, the 2 1/2 minute flight, I got some nasty turbulence off the treeline so I decided to pack up and do more flying another day.  All-in-all I'm happy with the airplane.  It doesn't feel nose heavy but I really need to do more flying and more trimming for sure.

I forgot to show my battery hold down method.  I notice that the nose section seem to "twist" a bit so I designed a battery hold and nose stiffener all in one.  The main part is a piece of 1/16 Birch ply about 4 inches long and the inside width of the battery compartment.  It is hold in place by 4 #2 Servo mounting screws.  The aft screws only need to be loosened because I notch the hold down to slip under their heads.  The pictures should make this easily understood.  On the battery side of the plywood I have some thick foam tape to actually touch the top of the battery.

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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #247 on: March 17, 2016, 12:22:10 PM »
Keep trying, I may try electric one of these years.  But, I short tank my new IC powered planes.  Glad the plane is working for you.
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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #248 on: April 23, 2016, 01:42:02 PM »
Had the plane out today.  Weather was very good indeed.  Many thanks to the other DMAA members who were out flying for helping me get the wings level.  I flew 2 complete patterns today.  I'm going to really like this airplane and the way it flys!  Still working on minor trim issues for the next several flying sessions.

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Re: 2016 Electric Stunter Build Log
« Reply #249 on: April 23, 2016, 01:50:10 PM »
Great to see that you got some flying time.  Airplane looks good.
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