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Re: 2012 Stunter - Thundervolt - A Build LOG
« Reply #50 on: November 19, 2011, 09:26:53 AM »
I made up the LE wing skins this morning.  I'm using 1/16 6.5# balsa.  Each skin is made up from 3 pieces of balsa.  The center piece is 1 1/2 wide while the 2 outer pieces are 3 x 2 1/4 wide.  The center piece has the grain running along the LE because this is where the tightest bend will be.  The outer pieces were cut so that the grain is running parallel to the spar.  The tapered cut is glued to the center piece.  They are glued together using thin CA ala Bob Hunt's method.  It is important to use CA for these joints because we will be soaking the balsa with water to mold them into the LE sheeting and don't want them to become unglued in the process.

I true the edges of the sheeting by using my 4 foot long level with sandpaper attached to one side.  I block up the balsa using some old wooden flooring I have.  A few swipes across the sandpaper yeilds a good tight joint.

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Re: 2012 Stunter - Thundervolt - A Build LOG
« Reply #51 on: November 19, 2011, 10:37:36 AM »
Before I soak the skins I draw a centerline down the center of the middle piece.  This is used to line up the skin on the LE buck.  Then I soak the skin in HOT water only.  I leave it in the tub of hot water for at least 45 minutes.  I rub off the excess water and then go to my bench.  I lay down 2 strips of masking tape, sticky side up.  I place the skin on top of the masking tape with the centerline up.  I line up the LE buck with the centerline and tape the skin in place to the LE buck.  Then I do the same thing for the other end.

Time to wrap the whole thing up.  I use 4 inch wide bed sheets to wrap the skin.  Using ACE bandages leaves crosshatch marks in the wood.  I got this tip from Al Rabe.  I attach one end of the strip to the bench with a piece of wood and a spring clamp.  I stretch out the strip and start winding it over the skin.  It usually takes 2 strips per LE skin.  I then secure the strip with masking tape.  I don't wind real hard, just tight enough to keep the skin against the LE buck.  I then place the whole thing over a hot air register to "bake" dry for 2 days.  I have gone 1 day, but I feel the skin holds it shape better after 2 days.
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Re: 2012 Stunter - Thundervolt - A Build LOG
« Reply #52 on: November 20, 2011, 12:51:59 AM »
What Ty said.  Looks like you got a nice LE radius - not too blunt.  Really like the molded approach, I need to learn how to do it beter than I have in the past.. 
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Re: 2012 Stunter - Thundervolt - A Build LOG
« Reply #53 on: November 20, 2011, 05:37:33 AM »
Thanks Ty and Dennis.
 
Dennis, yes, it does incorporate a well rounded LE.  
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Re: 2012 Stunter - Thundervolt - A Build LOG
« Reply #54 on: November 21, 2011, 09:29:14 PM »
The first molded LE skin turned out great.  Tonight I wrapped the second one.  

I've been slowly working on making the wing ribs.  The right side ribs are shaped and have the spar notches done.  Next I'll add the lightning holes and then they should be ready to go.  No pictures till the ribs are all done.
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Re: 2012 Stunter - Thundervolt - A Build LOG
« Reply #55 on: November 22, 2011, 08:22:52 AM »
Thanks for the tip on holding the strip/bandage while wrapping the mold buck alone. That is a very ingenious but simple solution.
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Re: 2012 Stunter - Thundervolt - A Build LOG
« Reply #56 on: November 22, 2011, 07:01:43 PM »
You're welcome Willie.

I finished cutting out the right side ribs.  Rib R1 will have the rest cut out when it is glued in and trimmed even with the spars and TE sheeting.  I did a test fit of the ribs and spars.  Looking good.  Some minor trimming here and there and the right side will be ready to start assembling.
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Re: 2012 Stunter - Thundervolt - A Build LOG
« Reply #57 on: November 24, 2011, 09:35:57 AM »
Isn't the bottom sheeting and cap strips supposed to go in first? ??? ??? ??? ???
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Re: 2012 Stunter - Thundervolt - A Build LOG
« Reply #58 on: November 25, 2011, 10:19:14 AM »
Isn't the bottom sheeting and cap strips supposed to go in first? ??? ??? ??? ???

No.  Just trial fitting.
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Re: 2012 Stunter - Thundervolt - A Build LOG
« Reply #59 on: November 25, 2011, 11:39:16 AM »
Crist,

Looking real good man!  I used the lost foam method on my Geo and it worked like a champ.  Looks like you've got it down.

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Re: 2012 Stunter - Thundervolt - A Build LOG
« Reply #60 on: November 25, 2011, 11:47:32 AM »
Crist,
Looking good so far. I have have a new design under construction, using the same methods. We are almost at the identical stage of the build.

In my case the fuselage will be the difficult part since it will not look like most stunters and will take some extra Cad work.  And yes it will be electric.
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Re: 2012 Stunter - Thundervolt - A Build LOG
« Reply #61 on: November 28, 2011, 09:59:06 PM »
Thanks Jason and Tom.

Been busy over Thanksgiving and didn't do a lot of work on the plane.  I didn't like the first set of ribs I made.  I felt they were too flimsy and so I made up another set using 8# wood instead of the first set at 5.9#.  While I was at it, I changed the spars from 1/4 square to 3/16 x 1/4.  Tonight I started the assembly in earnest.  Some of the ribs in the pictures aren't fully cut out because they are the LE ribs only and the portion aft of the spar will be cut away.

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Re: 2012 Stunter - Thundervolt - A Build LOG
« Reply #62 on: November 29, 2011, 07:47:27 AM »
Wow, it even LOOKS light!
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Re: 2012 Stunter - Thundervolt - A Build LOG
« Reply #63 on: November 29, 2011, 09:38:25 PM »
Tonight's progress consisted of gluing in the ribs, spars, and TE sheeting.  I also made up the shear webs.  So far going together very good.  I'm following Bob's tape step by step.  I just finished fitting the shear webs. I used 3/16 sheet for the first 2 bays and 1/8 sheet for the next 3.  This wing is going to turn out very strong! Enjoy the pics.

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Re: 2012 Stunter - Thundervolt - A Build LOG
« Reply #64 on: November 29, 2011, 09:52:16 PM »
 Looks like you fit your shear webs around the inside perimiter of the rib/spar locations? 
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« Reply #65 on: November 29, 2011, 10:12:56 PM »
Looks like you fit your shear webs around the inside perimiter of the rib/spar locations? 

Yep.
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Re: 2012 Stunter - Thundervolt - A Build LOG
« Reply #66 on: November 29, 2011, 10:30:50 PM »
 Man, that's a lot of extra work. I cheat and just put them on the front or back of the spar. Must be a Minnesota thing. ;D
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Re: 2012 Stunter - Thundervolt - A Build LOG
« Reply #67 on: November 30, 2011, 07:45:13 AM »
Man, that's a lot of extra work. I cheat and just put them on the front or back of the spar. Must be a Minnesota thing. ;D

I'm sure your way will work too.  With a wing mounted LG, especially when it is mounted an the aft side of the spar, putting the webs on the front or back could complicate things.  Also I'm following Bob's tape pretty close on this wing and that's the way he did it on the tape.
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Re: 2012 Stunter - Thundervolt - A Build LOG
« Reply #68 on: November 30, 2011, 09:37:08 AM »
Looking great.   Should be light. H^^
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« Reply #69 on: November 30, 2011, 09:07:15 PM »
Tonight's work was getting the LE shells glued on and trimmed.  They worked out great.  The wing fits the jig perfectly both on their side and when I flip them over and put the left wing in the right jig and visa versa.  The wing now weighs 4 ounces as you see it.  I installed a shear web near the right wing tip to support the tip weight box.  The LE sheeting only goes over half the spar.  The cap strips will go over the aft portion.  The wing is all detailed glued and the next to go in will be the shear webs then on to the TE.
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« Reply #70 on: December 01, 2011, 09:11:23 PM »
Tonight I glued in the shear webs and joined the wing.  While the epoxy was curing I worked on the TE.  The wing TE consists of 2 pieces of 1/4 square and 1 piece of 1/32 to form the hinge slot.  I lay the TE over the plans and mark the hinge center lines. Then I make another mark 3/8 on either side of that mark for a 3/4 wide hinge slot.  I strip out some 1/32 balsa slightly wider than 1/4 inch.  I then cut these to the proper length between the hinge slots.  I label them and the TE piece.  I then take some wax paper and fold a 90 degree fold about 1 inch from the end. I then take my 48 inch level, the same one I used to true the edges of my sheeting, and place it on top of the wax paper with the fold line tight up against the edge.  I clamp the level down on my bench top.  I take the TE piece and pin it up against the level and wax paper.  I glue the 1/32 pieces in place, then the top piece in place.  When dry I remove the TE and sand off the excess 1/32 balsa. 

Then using a piece of basswood, in this case 1/32 I mark the aft portion of the TE.  This line is to aid me when I taper the TE after it is glued in place.  The pictures show a 1/32 line but I'm going to put another line 1/16 from the edge.  I think the 1/16 will be more realistic and I won't have to sand away the line thus loosing my reference mark.  Using these marks helps assure a straight taper to the TE.  The stab TE was built in a similar manner but without the taper reference marks.
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Re: 2012 Stunter - Thundervolt - A Build LOG
« Reply #71 on: December 01, 2011, 10:46:45 PM »
 What'ya usin' fer glue on that there T/E?
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« Reply #72 on: December 02, 2011, 05:50:10 AM »
What'ya usin' fer glue on that there T/E?

Medium CA.  Why wait?
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Re: 2012 Stunter - Thundervolt - A Build LOG
« Reply #73 on: December 02, 2011, 08:07:15 AM »
Nice job Chris:
I also make a lamination for hinge pockets, but I do a couple of things different.  I like to put the middle 1/32 layer crossgrain, its more visible that way and provides a centerline reference.   The other thing I like to do is make up a hinge line assy that is wide enough to cut both the wing TE and front of flap from.  That way the spacing between the hinges is automatic.  Might have a couple of pics if you want.
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Re: 2012 Stunter - Thundervolt - A Build LOG
« Reply #74 on: December 02, 2011, 10:40:46 AM »
Nice job Chris:
I also make a lamination for hinge pockets, but I do a couple of things different.  I like to put the middle 1/32 layer crossgrain, its more visible that way and provides a centerline reference.   The other thing I like to do is make up a hinge line assy that is wide enough to cut both the wing TE and front of flap from.  That way the spacing between the hinges is automatic.  Might have a couple of pics if you want.

Alan,
Very clever way of doing it.  Pictures not needed, I know what you mean.
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« Reply #75 on: December 02, 2011, 07:35:00 PM »
I sanded the TE even and installed the TE.  I used masking tape instead of using weights and pins as Bob used in the tape.  I used some Pica Gluit glue for the TE.  I really like this glue because the joint sands so well and smooth.  After I had the TE all taped in place I put my 5 foot ruler across the span of the TE supported by 1/32 plywood inserts where the hinges go.  I used 4 of them and the ruler to check for straightness of the hinge line.  Wow, almost perfect!  

I'll make up the bellcrank tonight so it'll be ready when i need to install it sometime this weekend.
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Re: 2012 Stunter - Thundervolt - A Build LOG
« Reply #76 on: December 02, 2011, 07:39:48 PM »
Ah yes, one MORE reason free-weights excercise machines are better!
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« Reply #77 on: December 02, 2011, 08:20:49 PM »
Ah yes, one MORE reason free-weights excercise machines are better!

True modelers do work out with free weights!   LL~
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Re: 2012 Stunter - Thundervolt - A Build LOG
« Reply #78 on: December 03, 2011, 09:35:02 AM »
Crist,  that looks straighter than my straight edge.   I love these types of construction posts.   Thank you.   H^^
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« Reply #79 on: December 03, 2011, 10:24:33 AM »
Crist,  that looks straighter than my straight edge.   I love these types of construction posts.   Thank you.   H^^

Thanks John.  I post this stuff for the benefit for others.  At the very least, it shows one way of getting the job done.
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« Reply #80 on: December 03, 2011, 10:35:30 AM »
Installed the TE vertical grain shear webs this morning.  The pictures show how I cut the shear webs.  I clamp the stop block in place against my square.  Then I clamp my "tool" in place for the proper width of the shear webs.  I insert my 1/16 sheet and trim the shear web using the "tool" as an edge.

Next up will be the tip weight box.

It's been 2 months since I started cutting balsa!

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« Reply #81 on: December 03, 2011, 09:18:07 PM »
Tip weight box was next.  I use 1/8 lite-ply, 1/8 birch ply, and 1/64 ply.  I cut out the 4 sides from the lite-ply and glue them to make a box.  Then I use 1/8 birch ply for the floor.  I trace the box onto the ply then drill the center 5/32 for a 4-40 blind nut.  I cut it out close then glue it to the box.  The using my disc sander I sand it down to size.  I then add 3/4 wide 1/64 ply 3/8 down on each side of the box.  I use the 1/64 ply to from a "well" for the lid.

After the box is installed into the wing and glued I sand the 1/64 ply to match the LE sheeting.  

On to the lid.  I use 1/8 birch ply, 1/4 balsa, 4-40 fender washer, and 7/32 aluminum tubing.  I carefully sand the 1/8 ply to fit into the well and mark which way is forward.  I then find the center and drill a 7/64 hole for a tight fit for the 4-40 screw.  I put the 4-40 fender washer under the screw and insert the screw into the lid.  I use thin CA to carefully glue the washer to the 1/8 ply.  I drill a 7/32 hole in the 1/4 balsa and chamfer the bottom of the hole to clear the fender washer.  I put the balsa on the lid and insert the aluminum tubing over the head of the 4-40 screw.  I then glue in the tubing.  I trim the tubing and glue the balsa to the lid.  Using my disc sander I sand the balsa to match the 1/8 ply.  Then I screw down the lid and sand the lid to match the wing.
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Re: 2012 Stunter - Thundervolt - A Build LOG
« Reply #82 on: December 04, 2011, 05:26:10 PM »
Here is how I make up my bell cranks.  I use 1/8 phenolic I get from the scrap bin at work.  After I gut it out and sand it to shape, I epoxy glue 2 5/16 wide doublers.  I use these to increase the bearing area and the extra thickness keeps the bell crank from tipping.  I drill the hole for the 1/8 music wire post using a #30 drill.  The extra few thousands allow a smooth and free fit on the shaft.  

To "suspend" the bell crank, I use 2 4-40 fender washers and 2 1/8 eyelets for lines.  I measure to center the bell crank and solder the first washer and eyelet in place.  I insert the bell crank, then I use a small piece of 220 grit sandpaper with a 1/8 slotted hole in it to add a little space between the top washer and the bell crank.  Once all soldered up, I clean the assembly using acetone.  I squirt a little silicone spray on the pivot.

The lead outs are made from 2 1/2 long 1/16 annealed brass tubing, .027 lead out cable, .010 serving wire, and a 5/8 long 1/8 heat shrink tubing.  I use the longer 1/16 tubing over the shorter tubing that forms a "C" because it is more secure because I've seen the "C" shaped tubing work itself out of the bell crank.  

The ball link is installed in the bell crank using a 3/4 4-40 screw, washer, ball link, spacer, bell crank, washer, and 4-40 lock nut.  After installation, I use some diagonal cutters to mess up the exposed threads of the screw to prevent the nut from coming off.

The completed bell crank assembly with 42" long lead outs is 21 grams.
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Re: 2012 Stunter - Thundervolt - A Build LOG
« Reply #83 on: December 04, 2011, 06:24:52 PM »
I made up the 1/8 basswood pieces and mounted the bell crank.  Noticed that I used 2 short pieces of fuel tubing as a safety to keep the bell crank "centered" in the wing.

I also glued in the LG blocks.

On to the sheeting and cap strips.
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Re: 2012 Stunter - Thundervolt - A Build LOG
« Reply #84 on: December 07, 2011, 07:50:58 PM »
I have the tip sheeting done and the cap strips installed.  The center sheeting is the last of the build for the wing.  I have some suitable sheeting but I am waiting for my order from National Balsa to see what I might be able to use for the sheeting.  Then I'll sheet the center of the wing.  In the meantime I made up the adjustable lead out guide and glued on the tips.

Here is how I do my LO guides.
I use 3 pieces of 1/8 basswood 1/2 x 3 with 1 piece the grain is vertical.
I use medium CA to glue the 3 pieces together with the vertical grain in the middle.
I then lay out a center line.
I mark the ends of the guide and make a mark every 1/4 inch for the holes.
I use a sharpened ice pick to carefully center punch each hole.
I drill the 1/8 holes using my drill press.
I draw 2 lines about 1/32 apart.
I cut on the inside of the lines using my trusty Dremel jig saw.
I glue a piece of 1/64 ply in the end I started the jig saw in.
I put the guide in my vise and using a piece of 120 grit I sand the slot using a motion like I'm shining shoes.
I check to make sure the lead out will slide from one end to the other.
I then soak each hole and the part in between them front and back with thin CA.  I usually hit the guide with some kicker.
I then re-drill the 1/8 holes.
Back to the vise to clean up the slot.
Another soaking of thin CA, re-drill, and slot cleaning.
Then I trim the guide to length.
Then I measure out the final width of 3/8 and mark it with a pencil.
Over to the disc sander for final sizing.
It is now ready to install in the tip.

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Re: 2012 Stunter - Thundervolt - A Build LOG
« Reply #85 on: December 14, 2011, 08:23:39 PM »
Wow, it's been a week between posts.  I received my balsa order from National Balsa and it was very good wood.  It averaged right at 7# (right where I like it) and the grain was excellent.  

The center sheeting is drying, so pictures tomorrow.

In the meantime I made up my flap push rod.  I use carbon fiber tubes and fittings from Tom Morris.  The length is 6 1/2 inches long.  I will be using a R/H and a L/H fitting so adjustments can be made without disconnecting the push rod from the flap horn later on.  I could use 2 R/H fittings and just disconnect from the flap horn.  I just find it easier to do it this way.  When I'm talking about making adjustments, I'm referring to when I'm hooking up the controls during assembly.  Not after the model is built and finished.  I also use 2 pieces of 7/32 aluminum tubing cut to 3/4 long.  These are to keep the carbon fiber push rod from splitting during assembly and over its service life.  

The CF push rod is cut to 3 7/8 long.  I allow 1 1/4 for the fitting and ball link for a R/H link and 1 3/8 for the L/H fitting and ball link.  I then scratch both fittings with coarse sandpaper, sand the outer ends of the push rod.  I then clean the fittings, the inside of the aluminum tubing, the inside and outside of the CF push rod with acetone.  I then mix up some JB Weld and mix it throughly.  I use a toothpick to apply some JB Weld to the inside of the push rod and to the R/H fitting.  I insert the R/H fitting into the push rod and then add some JB Weld to the outside of the push rod and then slide the aluminum tubing down over the R/H fitting onto the push rod.  I then clean up the excess.  The L/H fitting is a little different due to the wrenching flats.  I glue on the aluminum tubing first then glue in the L/H fitting and then clean up the excess.  I make sure that the R/H fitting hasn't been pushed out some by pneumatic pressure from inserting the L/H fitting into the push rod.  I allow it to dry over night.  I know that the push rod is a little long but it sure beats making one a little short.  I like to have a lot of the threaded portion of the fitting into the ball link.  I'll grind off a little of each fitting to allow some adjustment both longer and shorter while still having a lot of the threads into the ball link.

I'm well aware of not running the fittings too deep and bottoming them into the ball link which will cause a failure of the ball link.  I'm sure you get the idea wanting some adjustment along with the security of sufficient threads into the ball link.


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Re: 2012 Stunter - Thundervolt - A Build LOG
« Reply #86 on: December 15, 2011, 09:07:58 AM »
An extra fine drill bit will put a breather hole into the carbon tube with out losing strenth.    H^^
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« Reply #87 on: December 15, 2011, 10:41:03 AM »
An extra fine drill bit will put a breather hole into the carbon tube with out losing strenth.    H^^
A drop of ca in the hole and it will go away after it has done it's job.

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« Reply #88 on: December 15, 2011, 11:48:56 AM »
Good points Doc and John.
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Re: 2012 Stunter - Thundervolt - A Build LOG
« Reply #89 on: December 15, 2011, 07:35:03 PM »
The wing is done being built.  I sanded the TE round and finished sanding the sheeting and capstrips.  I cut out the push rod exit hole in the top sheeting.  All that's left is to terminate the LO and do the final detail sanding before covering.  The wing as shown with the flap push rod and horn, and weight box with screw weighs 8.7 ounces.  My budget allows 2 ounces for the Monokote which will put the wing at 1/4 oz over my budget.  This wing came out very straight and is very stiff.  I'm pleased on how well it turned out.

You'll notice that there is a lot of sheeting both at the tips and on the bottom of the wing.  The extra sheeting was added because of the color scheme for the Thundervolt will be similar to the USAF Thunderbirds air show team.  Because I'm using Monokote, I like to have the color changes occur on a wood surface.  All the extra wood probably cost me about 12 grams. 

On the lead out guide, another modeller sent me a great method.  Instead of using 1/8 o.d. eyelets, I'm using 6-32 x 1/4 socket head plastic screws.  I drilled a 1/16 hole down the length for the lead outs.  I then tapped the holes in the guide 6-32.  Works very well.

Enjoy the pictures.

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Re: 2012 Stunter - Thundervolt - A Build LOG
« Reply #90 on: December 15, 2011, 08:46:25 PM »
 On this type of leadout guide I've never understood what keeps the exit guide bushings from coming out of the holes during flight? ???
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Re: 2012 Stunter - Thundervolt - A Build LOG
« Reply #91 on: December 15, 2011, 09:04:05 PM »
On this type of leadout guide I've never understood what keeps the exit guide bushings from coming out of the holes during flight? ???
Wayne,
If using eyelets, it friction or a light press fit that holds them in.
The nylon screws thread into the tapped holes in the LO guide.  They are finger tight.  The plastic into the wood threads almost form a "locking" fit so the screws won't back out.
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Re: 2012 Stunter - Thundervolt - A Build LOG
« Reply #92 on: December 16, 2011, 12:17:54 PM »
Dear Crist,

I just want to say thank you very much for posting these great tutorial of your building project. It is fabulous and I follow it regularly.

Many thanks

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« Reply #93 on: December 16, 2011, 08:10:25 PM »
Sina,
Thank you.  It was good seeing you at the NATS.  Take care.
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Re: 2012 Stunter - Thundervolt - A Build LOG
« Reply #94 on: December 16, 2011, 10:31:28 PM »
Wayne,
If using eyelets, it friction or a light press fit that holds them in.
The nylon screws thread into the tapped holes in the LO guide.  They are finger tight.  The plastic into the wood threads almost form a "locking" fit so the screws won't back out.

 Hmm, I'll have to take a closer look in Polk City. ;D
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Re: 2012 Stunter - Thundervolt - A Build LOG
« Reply #95 on: December 19, 2011, 10:22:34 PM »
I added the flap horn clips to the flaps tonight and trimmed them to length.  I also trimmed the TE to the correct chord width.  Next up will be to taper them.  Pictures tomorrow.
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« Reply #96 on: December 20, 2011, 08:26:48 PM »
Today I tapered the flaps and rounded the LE.  I used the Perret Bar method just like the elevators.  I drew a line about 1/8 from the edge on each side of the TE on each flap.  Then I used the line to align the bars prior to sanding in the taper.  After the flap is secured in the jig the first thing I did was to sand down the horn clips close to the bars.  I then used my Master Airscrew plane to plane down the rough taper.  I then used 120 grit sandpaper to bring down the balsa to where I just just touching the masking tape.  Then I switch to 220 grit sandpaper and final sand the taper.  I am very pleased how well they came out.  The TE are very straight.  BTW tapering the flap takes off about 30% of the weight before sanding in the taper.

I then rounded the LE.  I used 120 grit sandpaper (used) and sand a bevel at about 45 degrees.  Then I sand another bevel above that one at about 30 degrees.  Then I sand another bevel below the first bevel but above the hinge slots.  Then I use 220 grit sandpaper and then I round off the LE.

Then I sanded in the hinge pockets like I did on the elevators.  I then did some final sanding on the edges and cleaned up the flaps.  The flaps came out right on budget.  50 grams before covering.

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Re: 2012 Stunter - Thundervolt - A Build LOG
« Reply #97 on: December 20, 2011, 08:36:08 PM »
Here is where I am in the build.  The stab, elevators, wing, flaps, and fin are completed. The rudder needs the edges rounded off.  All that is needed is to do some detail sanding prior to covering and to terminate the lead outs.  Overall the build is going well and I am 18 grams over my weight budget.  I'm hoping I can make that up when I build the fuselage.  Usually I now cover the wing, stab, flaps, and elevators with Monokote.  I apply all the trim and lettering and then move on to the fuselage.

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Re: 2012 Stunter - Thundervolt - A Build LOG
« Reply #98 on: December 21, 2011, 07:40:31 AM »
Speaking of weight budgets, here is my weight and balance sheet for this project.  Every one of my planes gets one of these.  When I start a project, I have a target weight in mind, then using previous builds and experience, I assign a weight for each componet.  Then once the CAD drawings are done, I add in the moments to get a projected CG.  Note that this projected CG can and does move around depending on how well I estimate the moments of things like the finish.  No real hard "point" to measure to.  In my example below, I fill in the "Actual" weights with my target weights to derive an estimated CG and wing loading.  The sheet that I keep by my work bench has the actuals blank that I fill in as I go.
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Re: 2012 Stunter - Thundervolt - A Build LOG
« Reply #99 on: December 22, 2011, 08:14:37 AM »
Taking a few days off to enjoy Christmas with the family.  I'll pick this back up in a week.  Everybody have a Merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year.
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