News:


  • May 21, 2024, 02:28:32 AM

Login with username, password and session length

Author Topic: 2.4 GHz motor control  (Read 1883 times)

Offline FLOYD CARTER

  • 24 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 4462
    • owner
2.4 GHz motor control
« on: June 01, 2013, 02:29:40 PM »
A recent issue of CLW shows a small R/C receiver in place of the usual timer.  He used it for test flying, where an abort could be made at any time. That seems like a good idea.  Allows in-flight motor speed adjust.  Also, think of the neat take-offs and landing approaches you can do.

I don't yet fly electric in contests.  So legal or no, I would like to try this.

Would I be escorted off the field, or laughed at?

Floyd
90 years, but still going (mostly)
AMA #796  SAM #188  LSF #020

Offline Howard Rush

  • 22 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 7813
Re: 2.4 GHz motor control
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2013, 03:15:34 PM »
I'd laugh at you, but then I'd copy your rig.  Sounds like a good idea.

Check your aeroplyco email.
The Jive Combat Team
Making combat and stunt great again

Offline Russell Bond

  • Bandolero
  • AMA Member
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Captain
  • *
  • Posts: 450
Re: 2.4 GHz motor control
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2013, 05:03:10 PM »
Check out the latest CIAM (FAI) rule.
Bandolero

Offline Jeff Traxler

  • T-Bone
  • 2019 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Captain
  • *
  • Posts: 645
Re: 2.4 GHz motor control
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2013, 08:56:33 PM »
I need one of those so I can make my electric BiSlob hover.Probably the best way to make the electric act like a Fox 35......Only BETTER y1 y1
If you wanna sing the blues(Fly Stunt) you gotta pay your dues and "I know it don't come easy"

Offline John Rist

  • 24 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 2951
Re: 2.4 GHz motor control
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2013, 09:16:58 PM »
For sport flying anything goes - I not sure about stunt contest - probably not legal.   It is definitely legal for scale and I think carrier.  On any electric powered airplane it is dead easy to set up.  Just plug and play!   #^   Most any cheep 2.4 system will work - all you need is a 60 to 70 ft range.

Go for it!!!!
John Rist
AMA 56277

Offline john vlna

  • 21 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 1353
Re: 2.4 GHz motor control
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2013, 06:27:04 PM »
It is legal for carrier. There is some good info on the carrier board about handles integrated with a 2.4Ghz car radio. I even use it for 1/2a's
Here is a picture of my handle

Offline Larry Renger

  • 21 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 4002
Re: 2.4 GHz motor control
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2013, 06:54:16 PM »
Andy Borgogna and I have been doing this for a few years. A real plane saver if (when!) things go bad!

Also it is standard practice when the Knights of the Round Circle does training with the ET-1 models at shows. We can abort a flight if the student is a troublemaker (sadly, they do show up) and the pilot doesn't have to count laps. Plus the model can be made to land in front of the crowd every time.

The micro receivers are about the same size and weight as timers, so we just have a velcro panel where we can switch back and forth as needed.
Think S.M.A.L.L. y'all and, it's all good, CL, FF and RC!

DesignMan
 BTW, Dracula Sucks!  A closed mouth gathers no feet!

Offline Andrew Borgogna

  • Andy
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • ******
  • Posts: 1188
Re: 2.4 GHz motor control
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2013, 07:44:11 AM »
I will second what Larry said, when we first started in electric and were just starting on the upward slope of the learning curve the R/C assist was a real plane saver.
Andy
Andrew B. Borgogna

Offline FLOYD CARTER

  • 24 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 4462
    • owner
Re: 2.4 GHz motor control
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2013, 05:02:32 PM »
I flew my electric stunter with a 2.4GHz rcvr in place of the Z-Tron timer.  Simple!  I just removed the 3-pin plug from the timer and put it into the "motor" channel of the rx.  Transmitter fastened to an old belt from my clothes drawer.  It worked the first time.

Now I can do a 1-lap take-off run, throttle down for level flight, adjust for overheads, and then land whenever I feel like it!

I don't know why I didn't think of it sooner!

Floyd
90 years, but still going (mostly)
AMA #796  SAM #188  LSF #020

Offline John Rist

  • 24 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 2951
Re: 2.4 GHz motor control
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2013, 07:45:14 PM »
It is legal for carrier. There is some good info on the carrier board about handles integrated with a 2.4Ghz car radio. I even use it for 1/2a's
Here is a picture of my handle

In scale you need to start the motor and have it run throughout  the flight (of course with active motor control).  On a pistol grip radio can you adjust the trim up so that the motor idles.  Squeeze the trigger to get power up.  And at the end of the flight turn the trim down so the motor quits?

Ps love you handle.   #^
John Rist
AMA 56277

Offline Warren Leadbeatter

  • AUS-14782
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Captain
  • *****
  • Posts: 648
    • My Home Page
Re: 2.4 GHz motor control
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2013, 12:10:13 AM »
I recently tried this using a 2.4G RC car controller and noticed that the car controller was quite large and cumbersome, so I invented one that uses a small key fob button, like a garage door opener. It is a simple on/off operation and seems to work well. I guess it could be expanded to control retracts etc but then it wouldn't be control line would it. :)

Anyway the receiver unit that goes in the model weighs about 0.4oz and supports BEC ESCs.

Would there be any interest in these do you think for sport flying perhaps?
Warren Leadbeatter
Port Stephens, Australia
AUS-14782

Offline Peter Germann

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Captain
  • *****
  • Posts: 401
Re: 2.4 GHz motor control
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2013, 03:31:07 AM »
I recently tried this using a 2.4G RC car controller and noticed that the car controller was quite large and cumbersome, so I invented one that uses a small key fob button, like a garage door opener. It is a simple on/off operation and seems to work well.

There might indeed be substantial interest for your "garage door" opener, Warren. Please consider the attached document defining control line for all F2 classes under FAI. It was set in force June 1st 2013.

rgds. Peter Germann
Peter Germann

Offline Warren Leadbeatter

  • AUS-14782
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Captain
  • *****
  • Posts: 648
    • My Home Page
Re: 2.4 GHz motor control
« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2013, 04:01:35 AM »
Hmmm, so could also be modified to be used as a shut off for IC engines too then.... Might be helpful for over runs.
Warren Leadbeatter
Port Stephens, Australia
AUS-14782

Offline tom hampshire

  • AMA Member
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Commander
  • *
  • Posts: 391
Re: 2.4 GHz motor control
« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2013, 04:41:43 AM »
     The use of an RC throttle can also become a rehabilitation device for fliers who are recovering from health problems and may not be able to complete a full length flight.  No names, but I am aware of at least 3 guys who are working along this path.  It might be a way to get some guys who have trouble walking to break in to flying again. 

Offline Warren Leadbeatter

  • AUS-14782
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Captain
  • *****
  • Posts: 648
    • My Home Page
Re: 2.4 GHz motor control
« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2013, 05:34:14 PM »
I have tested my "garage door" controller on both IC and Electric motors and it works great.

For electric the unit weighs 10 grams and is powered from the Bec , one press on, press again off.

For IC engines a small lipo and a servo are required taking the weight up to 23 grams. The servo is setup to pinch the fuel line. Operation is button not pressed fuel line open, button pressed fuel line crimped.

We have been developing this idea for F2D shut off on demand however it can be used for many applications.

We are still in the final phases of testing. More details will be available for anyone who may be interested.

Cheers
Warren Leadbeatter
Port Stephens, Australia
AUS-14782

Offline Fred Cronenwett

  • 2016 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 2101
    • Lafayette Esquadrille
Re: 2.4 GHz motor control
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2013, 08:11:24 PM »
I have converted my entire CL scale fleet over to 2.4 ghz control using the new tactic 650 radio and the tactic 6 channel receiver with great results. I have the transmitter hang on my hip, the transmitter  has 20 model memory so I can have one transmitter that flies all the models. The settings for each model are contained within the model memory.

Each model uses a typical stunt handle and each model has it's own set of lines so I don't have to adjust for neutral elevator every time I fly. Another reason for separate lines is that the line length and line dia is different due to model weight and size.

Fred Cronenwett
Fred Cronenwett
AMA CLSCALE7 - CL Scale
Model Aviation CL Scale columnist

Offline Dennis Toth

  • 2020 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 4239
Re: 2.4 GHz motor control
« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2013, 01:31:42 PM »
I really like the ON/OFF idea as it could allow quick test hops without changing the timer setting. Also could help at contests were a contestant has an incident where he takes a wave off, the on/off would get him down and off the circle to keep things moving. At many contests we try to get going early in the morning to avoid the higher wind conditions, being able to move fliers off the circle on a wave off would save time and maybe some airplanes.

This should be allowed for competition.

If one could be developed that would do a fuel shut-off for IC's it would get support.

Best,      DennisT

Offline Fred Cronenwett

  • 2016 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 2101
    • Lafayette Esquadrille
Re: 2.4 GHz motor control
« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2013, 06:02:50 AM »
All you need to do is have the receiver, battery (very small) and a servo that pinches off the fuel line and you are done. Get a micro servo and a 250 mah battery and you are set. there are very small receivers and servos meant for park flyers that would do the job. the only thing that might add any real weight would be the battery to power the receiver.

Fred Cronenwett
Fred Cronenwett
AMA CLSCALE7 - CL Scale
Model Aviation CL Scale columnist

Offline Warren Leadbeatter

  • AUS-14782
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Captain
  • *****
  • Posts: 648
    • My Home Page
Re: 2.4 GHz motor control
« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2013, 08:43:01 AM »
That is what I have done but rather than using a bulky 2.4 gig transmitter I am using a 433mhz garage door  key fob controller which can fit into a handle. I have used a pic micro controller to send the appropriate signal to a servo to pinch the fuel line and a 120mah  2S lipo. The unit in the model weighs 22 grams all up.
Warren Leadbeatter
Port Stephens, Australia
AUS-14782


Advertise Here
Tags:
 


Advertise Here