Wow! Maybe we need to start all over as I'm really not sure what point Brett & Randy are trying to make.
My point is simply that a Saito 56 or 62 can power a 60 plus ounce 680 sq/in stunt ship as well as any piped two stroke. I don't care what the charts read my conclusion came from actually flying both power plants and competing against piped engines for a number of years.
I'm pretty sure that neither Randy or Brett have actually flown a 4 stroke set up the way I run them. At least Brett is somewhat giving my opinion the benefit of the doubt. Randy, you seem to be taking this as a personal dig on your PA engines and getting defensive. I for sure have never said the PA's weren't great power plants, I have said I can take a used Saito 56 bought for $100.00 and compete head to head with a piped PA that costs $400.00 plus. That is a fact that I have proven on several occasions.
Maybe we need to revisit the level I fly at as that might effect some opinions. I'm a high Advanced guy with no ambitions of ever competing in open at the NATS. Winning Advanced at Brodaks was the highlight of what I was happy to accomplish and did it with a $100.00 used Saito I bought from an RC guy. If I did have ambitions of competing at the NATS I would for sure need to practice more than ariving at Brodaks two days early so I can shake the cobwebs off.
I really believe a Saito 56/62 in a Legacy size airplane can be competitive at any level with anything presently being used. This is my opinion and I really don't care if anyone doesn't agree. I just don't get how anyone can say that isn't an accurate assumption when you have never flown or seen one of my engines run.
Hi Bob
I didn't take anything personal, and my points were very clear, I stated facts about power levels, which are not as you stated, also please note, nowhere did I say the saitos, or 4 strokes would not pull the planes, or they were lacking power to fly the planes. you are The one who brought this on by stating braggadocios things like this quote eluding to the 56 having as much or more power than a PS 65, an how you regularly clean house against the piped stunters because of the massive power of the 56 Saito,
Bob said "Sorry, but I also completely disagree with statement "The 56 never had true 60 power". My first forray into a larger 4 stroke was a 68 ounce Score with a 56 which I flew for two years basically cleaning house at local contests flying Advanced against Piped 60's and 61's in the same size airframes. I was running a 13-7 Rev-Up at around 8 grand. My present stunt ship also has a 56 and it leaves nothing on the table flying against piped 65's, don't tell my 56's they don't have the power of a 60 they sure don't know it yet. "
I simply added some well needed reality to your statements, and they were not personal attacks, just true info for people reading this...note again you cannot show me anywhere that I wrote the 4 strokes had not enough power to fly the planes. and for your info, I have bought tested flown and run almost everything you can think of, Saitos and OS 4 strokes includes plus Magnum YS and Thunder Tigers, and I have flown both hi and low RPM setups with 4 strokes, Using much the same settings as yo do.
So Bob please do not make up things that I said, or think I am bashing 4 Strokes, I am not, I also have sold many many 4 strokes to many people over the years and they have been in my catalogs for many many years, as they are now. Saitos included.
You also cannot point to anywhere that states I am not giving you the benefit of the doubt about how your planes fly well enough to make you very happy and make your planes fly very competitively, I have on many occasions told people to use your type setup if they wanted to use 4 strokes.
It is just me and the facts disagree with some of your power statements, The power of a 56 saito is not more than a OLD ST 60, and it is far from a PA 65, matter of fact a lowly PA 40 will produce more power than either a 56 Saito or a ST 60...note again, this is NOT a knock on the ST 60 or the Saito 56..remember a ST 60 won the WC last cycle.
To your other claim and point from you quote below....no one , not I or anyone else here said the Legacy sized panes didn't or wouldn't fly well with a 56 Saito, and you cannot show me where they did. I think they will fly very well with a properly setup 56, but it still will not have more power than my PA51, nor will it fly any better
"Bob said
I really believe a Saito 56/62 in a Legacy size airplane can be competitive at any level with anything presently being used. This is my opinion and I really don't care if anyone doesn't agree. I just don't get how anyone can say that isn't an accurate assumption when you have never flown or seen one of my engines run. "
You really need to read my post and make sure that you are not misunderstanding what I wrote, and please do not read things into my post, that I didn't say, or mean.
Regards
Randy