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Offline Terry Caron

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FA-40 MK III in hand
« on: December 17, 2015, 11:36:20 AM »
I received my "new" engine and it's pretty nifty looking.
Best I've been able to determine, this is the immediate predecessor to the 40A.
15.2 oz with exhaust pipe and TF 11-6 Super M (the only suitable prop I have right now).

First thing: the nylon bushing extending forward of the prop driver - sure doesn't look right.  ???
APC counterbore might fit over it or others counterbored to fit.
I don't want to jump right in and start tearing things down, so anyone know whats going on here?

Terry

NEVER MIND - just a left over spinner bushing, slipped right off.
Better to ask and seem like a dumba** than do something that proves it.  ;D
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Re: FA-40 MK III in hand
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2015, 01:20:53 PM »
I downloaded the manual for this engine and see that it says:
"Rocker arm and valve should be lubricated as occasion demands upon inspection".
Not very exact - how often is inspection warranted?
Is there no or little internal lube?

Also, valve lash is to be adjusted when over .004", is .004" best?

Doesn't look like this carb is amenable to the simple screw-in mod for c/l.

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Re: FA-40 MK III in hand
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2015, 01:50:40 PM »
I downloaded the manual for this engine and see that it says:
"Rocker arm and valve should be lubricated as occasion demands upon inspection".
Not very exact - how often is inspection warranted?
Is there no or little internal lube?

Also, valve lash is to be adjusted when over .004", is .004" best?

Doesn't look like this carb is amenable to the simple screw-in mod for c/l.

Terry

.004 not best. .003 max .002 min.
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Re: FA-40 MK III in hand
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2015, 01:55:46 PM »
Thanks Milt.

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Re: FA-40 MK III in hand
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2015, 09:13:19 PM »
Fellers, this may become a chore, as I know nothing about this or other 4 strokes fro models.
I checked valve lash (.003"), high needle 3 turns out, throttle ~1/2 and attempted (vertical bench mount) to fire the .40 today and couldn't get even a pop.
Now I know that the 3 magic ingredients to starting an engine are fuel, compression and ignition (in the proper sequence and quantity).
I mixed a fresh batch of 15/65/20, had good color on the plug and seeming good hand-flip compression, 'til I spun it a bit.
I'm wondering if it has a worn ring and am checking with Frank to see if he still has one.

I don't have any service info covering tear-down procedure.
If I need to replace the ring (N.B.: it has a one-piece head/cylinder) is it just a matter of pulling intake, exhaust and then the cylinder from the piston w/o disturbing the valve assy (other than the pushrods, of course) or is it going to be more complicated?

Any assistance will be much appreciated.

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Re: FA-40 MK III in hand
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2015, 09:31:35 PM »
I had one that spun over, and same problem you are saying. Long story short, it was the wrist pin sticking in the piston or rod. It wouldn't let it rotate through after the pop. So make double sure it spins very free! Lol that was a fun problem to find

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Re: FA-40 MK III in hand
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2015, 10:01:32 PM »
...it was the wrist pin sticking in the piston or rod. ... So make double sure it spins very free!

Are you saying the wristpin should spin freely, Dane?

If so, thanks for the heads-up but I still need to know the cylinder removal procedure.

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Re: FA-40 MK III in hand
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2015, 10:52:45 PM »
I'd look at the Horizon Hobby website and see if I could get instructions and parts list via .pdf download. Another idea would be to do a search on YouTube. There's an amazing amount of useful stuff on there.  y1 Steve
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Re: FA-40 MK III in hand
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2015, 01:30:07 AM »
Unfortunately, Steve, they have manuals for current engines only.
Online, I found and downloaded the manual for my earlier engine, but it has no exploded diagram and little maintenance information.

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Re: FA-40 MK III in hand
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2015, 01:12:55 PM »
I talked to the previous owner and turns out it's my inexperience w/4 strokes.
It has that updraft carb and I'm pretty confident I never got fuel into it.
It's running now, sorta, and I just need to learn how to adjust it.
Remarkably quiet compared to 2-strokes. :-)

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Re: FA-40 MK III in hand
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2015, 02:24:28 PM »
Oh, yes. You will have to choke that engine when mounted upright. Good call. Something i didn't think about, but just automatically do. My os 30fs is kinda picky on how it's choked also

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Re: FA-40 MK III in hand
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2015, 12:00:18 PM »
I just that "phutta phutta" sound of the Saito's. Hard to get used to the screaming 2 strokes again after so many good years with the Saito's. One of the absolute greatest motors ever developed.
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Re: FA-40 MK III in hand
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2015, 01:25:01 PM »
I'm still somewhere on the learning curve with it but I can start it by hand now.
Running Morgan 15% w/added oil it turns an 11-6 TF Super M to ~8600, 2-300 low compared to other (new) .40 4-Ss on Sceptreflight.
Any thoughts on what prop/rpm would be suitable for it on an ARF Cardinal or Pathfinder?

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Re: FA-40 MK III in hand
« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2015, 03:06:08 PM »
Is that the same fuel you run in the other engine? I only run ys/saito 20/20 from power master. However, I'm understanding that i may be lucky compared to others that my local hobby shop carries that. Power Master is easily accessible for me. I think i run an 11x7 on my banshee. I run a 12x6 on my rc version

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Re: FA-40 MK III in hand
« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2015, 03:27:42 PM »
Yes, Dane, my "standard" fuel, Morgan 15/68/17 (70 synth/30 castor) with added 50/50 Klotz/castor.
For 2-S I doctor to various oil %s.
Sounds like I might need a bit more prop.

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Re: FA-40 MK III in hand
« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2015, 09:48:03 AM »
Are you saying the wristpin should spin freely, Dane?

If so, thanks for the heads-up but I still need to know the cylinder removal procedure.

Terry

If it's anything like all the Saito's I have taken apart you should be able to remove the four screws that attach the cylinder to the case then pull the cylinder up off the piston.
You may have to remove the carb and the push rods will come out when you remove the cylinder. Taking it apart is the easy part, getting it back together with the cam set in the right place is the hard part.

This thread has a few good tips on getting the timing set. Also with a stock cam you should be able to use the little tool that Saito sells for setting the cam.
http://stunthanger.com/smf/four-strokes-only/how-to-run-saito-62-and-72-in-reverse-%28clockwise%29/
I seem to remember Bob Z posting sometime back on how to make the tool and set the cam but not sure if it was here or on Leonard's forum.

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Re: FA-40 MK III in hand
« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2015, 10:44:15 AM »
Thanks for the info, Bob, I suspected a full teardown wasn't necessary.
On the (highly likely) assumption that the issue is my *ignernts* rather than a worn ring, I won't tear it down yet.

F Anyone Who Needs It's I, I found somewhere Saito's write-up on timing procedure.

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