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Offline Steve Helmick

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Shutting down your engine in an emergency situation
« on: March 21, 2025, 03:46:19 PM »
Huh, I thought this forum was going to be pinned to the top of the heap, but I guess not?

Anyway, a SAFETY thought I've harped on a few times is to know how to shut your engine off (prior to launch!) in case something goes wonky or is about to. The electrical guys just push the button once more, as I understand it. But in either case, it might be good to discuss this with your pit person before starting things happening.

For glow engines:
1) Tip the nose straight down with the inboard tip lower than the outboard tip. Theory is that puts the fuel pickup above the fuel supply, but it does NOT always work on clunk tanks, but probably will work on most hard tanks. Problem is the engine goes lean before dying, which isn't ideal in some emergencies.

2) Closing the NV all the way, or richening the NV enough to make it quit rich. The least desireable methods, IMO.

3) Pinching off the fuel or muffler pressure hose. The first works, but isn't always an alternative, and isn't always a good thing to do. Pinching the pressure line might just lean the engine out and not make it shut down completely...ehhh...no.

4) Blocking off the exhaust. This is THE BEST way, IMO, but can vary from painful to easy-peasy, depending on the muffler or pipe, how long the engine has been running, etc. Tough with a tongue/chip muffler, but safe and easy with either a muffler or tuned pipe when fitted with a "rubber ducky" silicone rubber extension...unless you trim it off as short as possible. Stock length is good, because you can just pinch it off. This is a great way to go if your engine starts while you are getting ready to signal for an official. If the engine has only been running a few seconds, just blocking it off only results in a slight burn...ask me how I know! Lesson learned: Leave the rubber ducky at stock length and pinch it closed.

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Re: Shutting down your engine in an emergency situation
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2025, 08:30:57 PM »
I my self just throw a rag/shop towel into the prop.  May hurt the prop but it instantly shuts engine down and no harm to fingers or hands. D>K
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Re: Shutting down your engine in an emergency situation
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2025, 09:23:44 PM »
That's just trading one potential hazard for another!

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Re: Shutting down your engine in an emergency situation
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2025, 05:45:01 AM »
I my self just throw a rag/shop towel into the prop.  May hurt the prop but it instantly shuts engine down and no harm to fingers or hands. D>K

Seconded - everyone usually has a rag to hand and fairly instant result!  y1

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Re: Shutting down your engine in an emergency situation
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2025, 07:35:41 AM »
The rag is not a good idea for electric.  If you have a "prop strike" feature it may shut off the ESC but if you don't all you are likely to have is a chewed-up rag.  Electric props are for the most part lighter and more fragile than IC and they break easily, especially the expensive CF competition props.  I think the immediate stopping of an electric is something we have not addressed adequately.  Rules require an arming plug or disconnecting the battery as our primary safety but have you ever tried to do that with one hand while holding the plane with the motor(s) running?  A lot of us, myself included put the arming plug at a place where it will not show and most of them are really tight and take an effort to pull.  Then there is the on/off switch on the ESC which will kill the motor after a delay and is left off or shorted because of the arming plug.  It is like the nose down on IC. Whether or not that is good for the ESC is debatable, so I have a switch on everything including profiles.  Lastly there is the timer start which is an "instant" kill on most but hard to find in a panic unless you have a little red button like the Hubin.  There is a lot of discussion about remote cutoff but not much progress in implementing anything.  Anything involving timers means that the good folks developing them are going to have to spend time=$$$ complying with rules they didn't write, but what are the alternatives?

IMHO we need a "little red button" for all timers.  When the start button is part of the timer it forces the location of the timer in the fuselage to be where it can be accessed from the outside.  With a separate start button it can be placed anywhere and so can the timer.  Depressing the start button after the timer starts should stop it immediately.  The technology for remote off exists today but we have no guidelines and from what I read we have frequency issues.  All solvable.  The weight is minimal and the increase in the safety of an electric is well worth that weight.

And that is just me, and I could be wrong - Ken


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Re: Shutting down your engine in an emergency situation
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2025, 09:08:17 AM »
Seconded - everyone usually has a rag to hand and fairly instant result!  y1

If you don't like rags, use a towel.  It won't hurt the engine/motor/model as bad as hitting the grass/dirt/pavement. 
If this a real "EMERGENCY" hunting for the proper electric shutdown is likely to be too slow.
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Re: Shutting down your engine in an emergency situation
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2025, 11:48:53 AM »
Seconded - everyone usually has a rag to hand and fairly instant result!  y1
Since going electric I don't carry a rag or towel to the circle.  I don't recall any of our other electric fliers that do.  Personally I would NEVER throw anything, including a rag, into a powered up electric.  You don't know how the ESC/timer is going to respond.  It may stop, it may request doubling the current to the motor or it may just catch fire.  If you have a timer with prop strike you probably will be OK.

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Re: Shutting down your engine in an emergency situation
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2025, 09:55:02 AM »
Lesson learned: Leave the rubber ducky at stock length and pinch it closed.


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Re: Shutting down your engine in an emergency situation
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2025, 02:26:11 PM »
A local guy broke a chip off a three-blade prop while starting the engine.  One of us squeezed the rubber ducky, but the vibration had disconnected the pipe from the engine.

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Re: Shutting down your engine in an emergency situation
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2025, 04:21:01 AM »
The rag is not a good idea for electric.

Sorry, I read 'Engine' in thread title as an IC engine! Electric power use 'motors'! Pedantic I know but semantics!  LL~
I even remember years ago grabbing a plane that was in a 'run away' condition, holding vertically downward and pushing the spinner into the grass - that worked and no body parts harmed . . . . . spinner didn't look too clever afterwards but hey ho!

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Re: Shutting down your engine in an emergency situation
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2025, 06:38:18 AM »
Sorry, I read 'Engine' in thread title as an IC engine! Electric power use 'motors'! Pedantic I know but semantics!  LL~
Sorry, I use the terms pretty much interchangeably.  My family on one side was from Detroit, you know, the "Engine City".  LL~

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Re: Shutting down your engine in an emergency situation
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2025, 02:25:39 PM »
Throwing a rag into the running engine is a bad idea. I think Al Rabe broke the nose off one of his planes just days before he was to leave for the worlds.

I typically build all my models with good access to the venturi. If something goes wrong, it does happen from time to time. I stay calm think about what I am doing and simply slide my finger over the venturi and it's dead within a second. Yes having your finger tight there is nuts but if you stay calm and act deliberately its easy and quick.

I have seen many people pick up the plane and point it down. This seems very dangerous to me as many things are now happening that are out of the norm. You have to communicate with the holder with a loud plane running. You or they are going to have to stand up with a running plane in hand. And the lines are attached and could get tangled into the plane. Covering the venturi changes nothing for your holder so there is no communication needed. He just continues to hold like normal and you shut the plane off. If you cant shut the plane off, hurt etc. then someone else needs to do it but the holder should stay put with the plane.
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