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Offline graham webster

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Vintage FAI TR in US
« on: November 11, 2016, 08:46:11 AM »
Hi,
I admit I should know this but do not so any help would be appreciated. Does anyone know of any Vintage FAI TR in the US and which rules do they use?


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Re: Vintage FAI TR in US
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2016, 03:38:25 PM »

  sorry ,there is no vintage TR going on in the US at the moment
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Re: Vintage FAI TR in US
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2016, 05:14:28 PM »
Ah , but what about CLASSIC F.A.I. team Race ! . S?P! .

Give it a go , you never know . Must be a few planes about somewhere .

HERE : http://clamf.aerosports.net.au/?page_id=1432 theres a few drawings , click on them and they materialise LARGER .

theres new Olivers , at a price , from various sources . Old D7 MVVS's arnt uncommon. ETAs less so , but ' around ' .
Here ( in Aus. ) they mostly go for FORAs , as theyre cheap & fast .

Aus. Classic FAI rules .


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Re: Vintage FAI TR in US
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2016, 05:17:17 PM »
MAAA official rules 2013
Page 61 of 75
4.19
CLASSIC FAI TEAM-RACE  
The aim of Australian Classic FAI team race is to r
e-create FAI team racing as it was
before 1970, when in the eyes of many people, model
s were more beautiful, less
expensive, and flew over grass at speeds most peopl
e can cope with. The 1968 FAI team
race F2C rules (modified) apply as follows:
4.19. 1        Definition of Team Racing
- Team racing is a simultaneous race between three
models
flown by three pilots, in the same circuit. (In exc
eptional cases - two models flown by
two pilots).
4.19. 2        Team
- Each model is presented by a Team consisting of a
 pilot and a mechanic.  
The name of the pilot and the mechanic must be indi
cated in the Entry Form.  
The pilot of each model must remain in the centre c
ircle; he has no other function than the
piloting of the model and stopping the engine while
 flying.  
The mechanic must remain on the outside of the flig
ht circle during the race; his function is
to start the motor, and refuel the tank during the
race. His duties include the operations
necessary to restart the motor after each stop.  
4.19. 3        Definition of Team Racing Models
- Model aeroplanes in which the propulsion energy i
s
provided by a piston engine and in which the lift i
s obtained by aerodynamic forces acting on
the supporting surfaces which must remain fixed dur
ing flight.  
The models must be of the semi-scale type and their
 general lines must be in accordance with
those of full-size aircraft. Competitors may be req
uired to justify their model design with
documentary evidence of similar full-sized aircraft
.  
The choice of models designed before 1970 is encour
aged, and such designs may be
modified provided all other provisions of these rul
es are met. “Own design” and designs
never before published are allowed. Models must be
of traditional “Wing and tail”
layout. Flying wing type models are prohibited.  
                   Asymmetry in the plan view is limited to a maximum
 of 15mm. V tails are permitted.
Construction materials for models are unrestricted,
 except for the following which are
not allowed: Components such as wings moulded from
carbon fibre and all-metal
wings.
Aluminum or Magnesium pans are allowed.
4.19. 4         Characteristics of Team Racing Models
Total maximum weight 700 gms
Maximum swept volume of engine(s) 2.5 c.c.  
Total surface (wing and stabiliser) minimum 12 sq.
dms.  
Minimum dimensions of the fuselage at the pilot’s l
ocation: Height 100 mm; Width 50
mm; Minimum cross sectional area 39sq.cm.  
Wing fillets shall not be included in the fuselage
cross sectional area.  
The wheel or wheels shall have a minimum diameter o
f 25 mm. Landing gear must not
be retractable. Mono wheel is permitted.  
The tank complete with all connecting tubes must be
 accessible. A single function valve
is permitted.
Pressurised refuelling systems other than a hand he
ld squeeze bottle are not permitted.
The use of multi-function filler valves is not perm
itted.  The combined capacity of the
MAAA official rules 2013
Page 62 of 75
entire fuel feed system to the engine (tank, valve,
 tubing filter etc.) is limited to 10cc.
The use of Tetraethyl Lead (TEL) is prohibited.
The models must fly anti-clockwise round the course
.  
The motor or motors must be entirely enclosed inclu
ding the cylinder head and the body of
the carburetor (except the opening to the induction
 throat and a silencer – if fitted). The only
parts permitted to protrude from the body are those
 which have to be manipulated during the
operation of starting the motor or motors or regula
ting the mixture. (Fuel, needle valves,
compression control, advance control, plugs, tank f
illers, etc.) Openings for the entry and exit
of air, exhaust, etc., may be provided for proper f
unctioning of the motor or motors.
Pilots must be able to stop and land the model with
in ten laps, when required by the Contest
Director.
Internal connection of control lines is permitted.
Currently acceptable engines are.  
Oliver Tiger (any model up to Mk4, original or copy
, including Rothwell R250),
Fora Junior or Pioneer.
ST G20 diesel,
ST20/15RV Diesel,
MVVS (any model),
ETA 15,          
Parra 15,  
Taipan up to series 13 Diesel,
KMD
Enya 15D (any model)
Other engines may be approved upon request; ad hoc
for that contest only by the contest
director after consulting with

and a load of other drivle , available HERE .http://www.maaa.asn.au/images/pdfs/Australian-Rules-S3-CL-2013.pdf

NZMAA Rules maby be more rewarding , if your ]' out for a fly ' rather than ' out to win ' http://modelflyingnz.org/Docs/CompRules/S03-CL.pdf

More ' 60s ' biased . 5:00 + or - time means original equipment and fastest isnt nesaerally ER THE  BEST .
Airmanship being more a priority .  VD~ S?P
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Ive collected a fair bit of 65/75 Mag Articals etc , if theres something specific you cant find , your looking for . H^^

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The aim of Australian Classic FAI team race is to r
e-create FAI team racing as it was
before 1970,

MOST OF THE PLANES HERE, in Aus. are 70's stuff , Schneurle etc , even a Bugl .So Dont belive everything you read . BARTON M F C has the pommy T/R nutters .
http://controlline.org.uk/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=2

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Re: Vintage FAI TR in US
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2016, 06:22:20 PM »
Uh, Matt, .... maybe reread the original question.

"...any Vintage FAI TR in the US"

Bob answered it.
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Re: Vintage FAI TR in US
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2016, 09:01:47 AM »
It's a common question and like Bob said, nothing here. I am just wondering out loud, that if a couple of kits were available, would that be incentive to create an event. Most of the u/c racing takes place in the S.W. so Bill might have a better idea than most if something like this would fly.
(pardon the pun)


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Re: Vintage FAI TR in US
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2016, 07:21:05 PM »
Uh, Matt, .... maybe reread the original question.

"...any Vintage FAI TR in the US"

Bob answered it.

Sometime suddenly somewhere , when you least expect it ! ;D n1 THERE MUST BE SOMETHING SOMEWHERE . %^@

And to start you have to put a foot forward ,

Just thought if someone ( must lookim up in the phone book  >:() was contemplateing building one , a few ideas / thoughts might ENCOURAGE them .

' NO ' is a bit terminal , in some respects . maybe ' are there any vintage / classic FAI Team Race PLANES in the U.S. might get a differant answer ?

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Re: Vintage FAI TR in US
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2016, 11:09:20 PM »
Ken,
What I was thinking and actually am building is a Nelson Sprint model from Aeromodeller . I can post the details if you wish. It was designed to get people flying F2C  a bit like the Sportsman Good year I have been ready about. Nothing fancy about the construction and the  metal parts can be made from the plan.
If there is an event OK if not will fly just for fun could even fly in normal F2C!!!!   
 
 


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