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Offline Larry Renger

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What fits Fox .35 mounting?
« on: April 22, 2016, 09:44:13 PM »
Gee, surprise, surprise, I don't seem to be able to get a reliable stunt run out of my Fox 35s on my Ringmaster, even though they are both L&J modifieds.  :'(

It seems that even tweaked Foxes hate profile models! Sad, because I am getting good starts and serious power. Quitting inverted is not my happy place! One of the engines performed very well on a Jamison Special where it was mounted upright.  HB~>

I have some ideas to work on. but would like input on what other engines fit the mounting pattern. Don't tell me about this or that better engine, I know they are out there. What will fit without modifying the plane? Fit the mounting width and bolt holes just right.  H^^

Please help!  :!
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Re: What fits Fox .35 mounting?
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2016, 03:30:12 AM »
             Larry, the Fox .35 and the Ring are like a pocket on a T-shirt. Why is it not reliable? Aside from that, almost all the Fox's have the same bolt pattern 19's, .25's, 35's. The Evolution .36 fits with the exception of the nose being a bit shorter. The Double Star (Classic) .40 if you can locate one was the same bolt pattern and identical footprint and weight. That might be a tough find though. The LA .25 is close, but not close enough which allows you to use two sets of the holes. I have exchanged the EVO for the Fox. The EVO however is going to be in the upwards of 2.5 ounces heavier. All of the modern OS engines aside from the old Max-S will be heavier in and around the same as the EVO. The EVO is a ball bearing engine though.  The OS bolt patterns are much easier for swapping due to many fitting in the bolt pattern and case length. I personally would try and go with a Brodak .40 due to it's weight. It has the same bolt pattern as the LA .40, .46, Max-35, FP .35-.40. , Magnum .32 etc. If you decide to change, it will cover without the nose looking like a butcher job and it will leave many options. Ken

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Re: What fits Fox .35 mounting?
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2016, 05:11:47 AM »
It could be that the nose isn't stiff enough and is letting vibration mess things up. Did you install a cheek piece or tripler on the nose?
I may be wrong but I doubt it.
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Re: What fits Fox .35 mounting?
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2016, 07:57:20 AM »
I don't think the L&J mod Fox engine has the burp stick installed.  All kind of info on this mod posted elsewhere.  However I had the same problem with my Ringmaster.  Cured it with a OS Max .25 FPS.  The OS Max fit by enlarging the mounting holes.
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Re: What fits Fox .35 mounting?
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2016, 08:12:00 AM »
I think an L&J fox should have the bypass reduced with JB weld?

I used to have all the details of what they did , but seem to have lost them in a computer crash  :(
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Re: What fits Fox .35 mounting?
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2016, 11:36:53 AM »
Just pulled the back off of my L&J, and there is JB weld in the bypass.
I do recall that there were various "stages" of rework they did, so perhaps not all got it?
But you would think that would be one of the first things to get done, along with the crank balancing

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Re: What fits Fox .35 mounting?
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2016, 12:01:07 PM »
Outside of putting the stick in the bypass, a really hot plug like the Thunderbolt long R/C, or glo-devil 300 will make a huge difference. Also, adding a bit of nitro helps like 10 % if your tank is large enough. Those things will let a well broken in Fox work on profiles. I have one on my Sterling Mustang that runs great with the stick in the bypass and the Thunderbolt plug. No burp even on 5% nitro.
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Re: What fits Fox .35 mounting?
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2016, 01:58:05 PM »
Can anyone provide an illustration or explanation of this "burp stick" thing? It would be much appreciated.
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Re: What fits Fox .35 mounting?
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2016, 02:30:22 PM »
Can anyone provide an illustration or explanation of this "burp stick" thing? It would be much appreciated.

There are some great pictures and dimensions over on Stuka Stunt.
Post #16 in this thread, you will have to click on the attachments to open them.

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Re: What fits Fox .35 mounting?
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2016, 05:56:29 PM »
While Larry asked for a direct drop-in replacement, there was only the Double Star that I knew about.

I replaced a Fox 35 in an Oriental ARF with a Brodak 40. When assembling the ARF, I located the prop washer where Pat Johnston's drawing showed it. When I fitted the B40, it's longer but it fitted and the moounting holes were between and behind the Fox mounts. The small weight increase didn't affect the balance as it was a bit further back in the nose.

I can also vouch for the effectiveness of a Ringmaster powered by an LA 25.

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Re: What fits Fox .35 mounting?
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2016, 09:11:19 PM »
Thanks pmackenzie.

Interesting.
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Re: What fits Fox .35 mounting?
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2016, 10:46:45 PM »
Larry,

Before you toss the Fox aside, what tank, plug, and fuel are you using?

Uniflow is not needed on a Ringmaster, works better without it. Have you opened up the tank? Foxes vibe(as you know) and can detach a pickup and even crack fuel tubes.

Thunderbolt RC long is a must. I recommend 10/22, personal choice but thinner fuel helps it 4/2 better and also increases overall fuel flow. Many folks will run 25-29% full castor oil with success, I am just not sold on it. 10/22 has made a big difference in my runs. I have 100's of flights on my Ring with a '52 model Fox and it is still solid.

None of this advice is from me, but is a regurgitation of advice given to me by Ken Cook.

Good luck in whatever you decide.

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Re: What fits Fox .35 mounting?
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2016, 06:34:36 AM »
Enya .30 is very close and a sweet runner . On a Ringmaster it would be great . Mines on a Skyray and will do vertical 8s all day . Like the DS 40 it might be hard to find. If Enya makes another run of abc 30s I'm very tempted to buy ,even with my lifetime supply of engines .

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Re: What fits Fox .35 mounting?
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2016, 11:15:37 AM »
If you can find it the OS 20FP is great, perhaps even more engine than you need.  I only have one, and it's aluminum piston, so I can't answer for the iron/steel version.

Brett Buck, who knows more than I do about engines, says that for a light Ringmaster a strong modern 15 (FP, LA, or, presumably, Magnum) would be enough engine.  I haven't tried it, but the mounting holes may be different enough that they won't intersect with the current ones.
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Re: What fits Fox .35 mounting?
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2016, 01:56:51 PM »
It may be helpful to note that, 'though the Fox and Forster have the same mounting hole dimensions, the Forster isn't a drop-in swap.
Because of the rounded crankcase bottom Forsters need .060" more bearer width.

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