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Re: Weight difference Fox old version .25 v .19?
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2011, 07:17:00 PM »
Not sure if you have the 3 bolt backplate or 4 bolt backplate versions, so.....

Fox 19 (3 bolt) 5.2 oz
Fox 25 (3 bolt) 5.0 oz

Fox 19 (4 bolt) 6.0 oz
Fox 25 (4 bolt) 5.9 oz

The 25's are actually lighter than the 19's in both cases.

Just for fun..... Fox .201 (3 bolt) 5.2 oz.
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Re: Weight difference Fox old version .25 v .19?
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2011, 08:27:40 PM »
HI Rusty,

The old .25 you have (picture on another post-3 bolt back plate) "could" be used since it is as light or lighter than the period .19s that were available when the Akromaster was brought out.

I believe I stated in the other thread that I "personally" wouldn't use it in the Akromaster unless you just really have to.  There are MANY other engines that would be much better suited to the airframe.  Even with the "extended wings".  It is a small light model, one that can easily be powered by a modern .10.

I'm all for more power, but there are cases in the smaller models where it just doesn't work as well.

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Re: Weight difference Fox old version .25 v .19?
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2011, 04:53:19 PM »
Thanks guys.  I am going to use the OS FP 15.  I ordered a needle valve today.  (already had the venturi)

I appreciate the engine info. 


In this instance I have to agree with Bill on a choice of power. That airframe was designed around the old Fox 15 rocket and 15x models. Even with a 15X it moves at a fast clip . An OS 15FP is really a lot more engine then the old Foxes and will if you are not an experienced flyer give you the ride of your life.
I keep reading of guys using McCoy 19's and other large engines and can't fathom any of them ever being fun to fly. they will be too fast and much too nose heavy to do much of anything. Find an OS LA10 and use that. you will be pleasently suprised as the flying habits of that little model.
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Re: Weight difference Fox old version .25 v .19?
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2011, 08:37:02 PM »
I have an old OS FSR 10 rc I could convert.   I will see about that.  Thanks.

HI Rusty,

The O.S. .10 FSR uses the same venturi and NVA as the O.S. .10FP.  Exact same OS part numbers (which I have written down somewhere). 

The FSR and FP venturis are not too hard to find, but the Needle Valve Assemblies are TOUGH TO FIND! LL~  I have a bunch of the .10 FSRs (don't ask how I got them! LL~)

The older OS .10S venturi and NVA DO NOT FIT (however "they" are readily available).

I really need to see what "other" NVA fits into these engines.  I have a project that will require more than one at a time............ ;D

Oh, yeah, Jim Lee (Lee Machine Shop in Vendor's Corner) has the FSR/FP venturis at very reasonable cost.

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Re: Weight difference Fox old version .25 v .19?
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2011, 06:01:00 AM »
OS10fp-s
Venturi part#21112003
NVA part#21111006


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Re: Weight difference Fox old version .25 v .19?
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2011, 06:39:44 PM »
OS10fp-s
Venturi part#21112003
NVA part#21111006



John,
You have the part numbers now all you have to do is find the parts.
If you get a venturi for an FP 10 and try to use it on an LA 10 it will bottom out as it is too long. It is really better to get a derlin venturi from Jim Lee.
Other needle valves that can be used are the PAW 15 diesel and the  needle valve assembly from the Thunder togre 10. It shows up every now and then.
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Re: Weight difference Fox old version .25 v .19?
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2011, 10:39:23 PM »
How come none of our machinist friends won't make us needle valve assemblies?

Hi Rusty,

For the majority of engines we now use, finding a NVA that fits isn't usually a problem.  The OS .10 FSR or FP is just one that is a completely different style from all the other OS engines.

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Re: Weight difference Fox old version .25 v .19?
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2011, 08:10:33 AM »
Was the .10fsr-s the only c/l motor of the fsr series? In case someone needs the part # for conversions here is a list

.10fsr-s .10 fp-s venturi #21112003  nva #21111006               40sf-s-abc venturi#25412000 nva#25411000

15fp-s Venturi #21712010  nva #21711000                            46sf-s abc venturi#25412100 nva#25411000

20fp-s  25fp-s  venturi #22312000  nva#22311000        Part # from os engines exploded views
                                                                            second edition january 1990
35fp-s venturi #23312100  nva #22311000

40fp-s venturi #23312000(L)  nva#22311000
                    #23312100(S)

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Re: Weight difference Fox old version .25 v .19?
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2011, 10:20:16 PM »
Was the .10fsr-s the only c/l motor of the fsr series? (snip)

Could read that quip a lot of different ways............

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Re: Weight difference Fox old version .25 v .19?
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2011, 04:30:14 AM »
Geeezz quip?? Had to look that one up Bill. Wasn't trying to be sarcastic. I've seen conversions of the fsr's but with
info i have i could only find the 10 as coming from os as c/l motor. Being a r/c retread i'm a little light on c/l motors
but have lots of r/c ones that could be converted as they are outdated compared to the new ones. Just looking for info. I have learned alot on this and other forums about conversions. As an example a tower 40 that you can't giveaway in the r/c world is liked by c/l guys,so now i have a nice shiney new one i can put in my twister(or maybe a fp35) so keep the info coming so some of the motors that have been sitting at the bottom of plastic tubs might finally get some use.
                                                             Thanks John.

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Re: Weight difference Fox old version .25 v .19?
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2011, 08:57:24 AM »
Hi John,

The FSR series were EXTREMELY popular not too long ago (pre piped set ups), and saw extensive use by many.  I *believe* Bobby Hunt used a .40 FSR in his World Champion Genesis, which had previously been powered by an ST .46.  And in his Genesis .40.  Paul Walker won a NATS, IIRC with an FSR (.40 or .45??), and lots of other top fliers were suing them when they were fairly new.  One of the early schneurle ported engines used in large quantities.  I am not sure if the .40 and .45 were released as "S" (C/L) versions, though, but it wouldn't have been unlikely for OS to have done so, since they have usually done that in the past.  The series just before ("H") were sold as C/L versions.

The problem we have been discussing about the .10 FP/FSR needle valve assembly is that they used a specific size and no "spring shank" needle.   So far I haven't been able to cross reference any "other" series NVA as a direct drop in.  If anyone has, I would love to find out.

The FSRs are strong, and were not the usual "4-2" break engines out of the box from what I remember on the .40s and .45s.  I seem to remember that they were in the early stages of the high rpm/low pitch prop, but I might be off on that.  They are very viable today for stunt use, but most of (all?) the  top rank fliers want to use engines that are still "on the market" so to speak for replacement parts, etc..  Probably not what one would use in a piped set up, of course, but more than enough to power appropriately sized models.  For local use and sport stunt, they still are good engines.

Many, if not most, of the R/C engines from the past 20-25 years will work, if run properly, today for us.

Thanks!
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Re: Weight difference Fox old version .25 v .19?
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2011, 10:10:50 AM »
Thanks Bill,I have a .10fp that i would like to convert. I have the exploded view manual that clearly shows the nva that you are talking about(.10fsr shown is r/c)it seems that might be a hard to find part as well as the 15fp-s the rest of the fp series i have seen all over feebay.      John.

PS if you ever need pics of the manual i can post on rcg(still working on the pic reduction thing)it has been very useful over the years for part# and working on fourstrokes.

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Re: Weight difference Fox old version .25 v .19?
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2011, 10:28:24 AM »
Thanks Bill,I have a .10fp that i would like to convert. I have the exploded view manual that clearly shows the nva that you are talking about(.10fsr shown is r/c)it seems that might be a hard to find part as well as the 15fp-s the rest of the fp series i have seen all over feebay.      John.

PS if you ever need pics of the manual i can post on rcg(still working on the pic reduction thing)it has been very useful over the years for part# and working on fourstrokes.

Hi John,

I get the NVA and venturi for the .15FP from Tower.  Just got a set about three weeks ago.  I had to search OS .15FP on their data base, and look through everything they list for it.  Probably find it quicker by using the part number at Tower, though! LL~

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Re: Weight difference Fox old version .25 v .19?
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2011, 11:15:32 AM »
Yep used the part # and sure enough they have them. Will get one on the next order. Still need a 46la natural finish,
got one of the blue ones (yuck) but just can't bring myself to use it on the tutor II arf :)

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Re: Weight difference Fox old version .25 v .19?
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2011, 07:03:24 PM »
The FSR series were EXTREMELY popular not too long ago (pre piped set ups), and saw extensive use by many. 

   Oh, Bill, "not too long ago" = 30 years!  I have the same thing - I have to catch myself when talking about what happened in the 70's and 80s with a lot of my colleagues. Seems like yesterday to me, most of them weren't *born* then.

  FSRs were mostly dead meat when someone discovered the ST60.


   Brett

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Re: Weight difference Fox old version .25 v .19?
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2011, 08:51:22 PM »
   Oh, Bill, "not too long ago" = 30 years!  I have the same thing - I have to catch myself when talking about what happened in the 70's and 80s with a lot of my colleagues. Seems like yesterday to me, most of them weren't *born* then.

  FSRs were mostly dead meat when someone discovered the ST60.


   Brett

Hi Brett!

I guess the memory IS the first thing to go...... geezzzz.... 30 years ago?  Seems like yesterday.  I catch myself when I actually remember that 1990 was over 20 years ago now.  Wow.  OK, "the FSRs were very popular back about 30 years ago."  (just sounds like that was SO LONG ago! LOL!!)

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