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OS 60FP useable for stunt
« on: December 19, 2019, 02:39:12 PM »
I picked up an OS 60FP that looks to be in fairly decent shape. Just curious if it can be setup to run well in stunt. I was thinking maybe on my Sig Magnum?

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Re: OS 60FP useable for stunt
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2019, 09:04:14 PM »
Assumeing its the FSR sleeve , It'd be 142 - 120 - 110 boost. ( 40 FP & FSR Sleeves , and 25s are semi interchangeable )
http://sceptreflight.com/Model%20Engine%20Tests/OS%20Max%2060%20FSR%20%282%29.html

Id asked before and told the 18 Oz ! ? Weight was the ' why not ' consideration .

Most FP / LA info should be applicable . i.e, maybe decompress & maybe block boost & maybe Hemi the Head .
Likely from the ' Rod Up ' inclusive , the FSR ( as Windy used in the Big sweeper / Blue One ) interchange .

Something like a 14 x 4 prop might be needed .do the ground run 4-2 switch trip & Tach for working rpms .
The old pinch the feul toobin trick , to see if itll back off quick to four stroke . Or maybe just run it in the 2 stroke .

Youd want good cooling - C'case vent etc, as a runnaway might stretch your arm six inches . VD~



Os Fp 60 & La 65 Engines Venturi Assy from shtterman  . Likely there IS a factory intake .

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Re: OS 60FP useable for stunt
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2019, 09:30:48 PM »
   It's overall size and weight are the biggest factors, otherwise you would probably be seeing them at the flying field if they were worth the effort. That is one big benefit of going to contests,  to see what kind of equipment people are using. Another reason to check out posted contest results to see if equipment specs for the winners are included, and quite frequently they are. If you are curious about a certain engine and don't ever see them listed, there is your answer.
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Re: OS 60FP useable for stunt
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2019, 10:51:01 AM »
Wow is that engine heavy at 510g vs 263g for an LA 46.  That is a surprise.  A Stalker 76 is 375g.

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Re: OS 60FP useable for stunt
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2019, 06:15:10 AM »
I am not being a wise guy by saying this but this motor has come up over and over on here, It is heavy so it needs a BIG plane to carry it's weight.
 A local guy built a nice well built LARGE stunter for one and the motor ran OK after a lot of prop changes. To big to heavy to much pull.  ~^ ~^ ~^ ~^ ~^
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Re: OS 60FP useable for stunt
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2019, 09:28:34 PM »
If you throw it in search , some club comp results come up with the FP 60 , so it cant be totally disasterous .
Besides , if you have something with 4 Oz. noseweight , you can save 4 ounces ! .  ;D :-X

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Re: OS 60FP useable for stunt
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2019, 09:45:07 AM »
From the responses here, I’ll most likely find a home for it on a sport RC plane. I got it thinking plain bearing engines were usually a good bit lighter than their ball bearing counterparts. Obviously not the case with this one!

Thanks, Matt

I was also looking for an inexpensive alternative to the majority of engines that show up in the contest listings like unobtainable Supertigres and the very expensive PAs and similar.

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Re: OS 60FP useable for stunt
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2019, 01:18:34 AM »
Since you bring up the topic of Super Tigre engines, are the ringed .46 and ringed small case .60 really that easy to start and maintain?  Engines without rings, like the LA .46 start pretty easy.  I'm planning to campaign a Super Tigre .46 on a Stiletto, at least briefly.  I'm concerned that one bad run might cause the ring to lose temper.

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Re: OS 60FP useable for stunt
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2019, 03:55:42 PM »
Matt.  I put OS .60 in the search engine and got 32 pages of hits . That’s 900 threads. Maybe 10 % are on the 60 fp.
Your question is a good one as many on here have looked at it. It works ok as far as the run goes. Evolution 60 is a better choice.
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Re: OS 60FP useable for stunt
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2019, 04:47:10 PM »
Since you bring up the topic of Super Tigre engines, are the ringed .46 and ringed small case .60 really that easy to start and maintain?  Engines without rings, like the LA .46 start pretty easy.  I'm planning to campaign a Super Tigre .46 on a Stiletto, at least briefly.  I'm concerned that one bad run might cause the ring to lose temper.

Peter

    There have been a few threads on this engine also. Brett Buck likes to tell of it's potential short comings competing against modern engines like the LA.46. But the sound they make is worth any effort it takes to run one! If you can get an original Frank Bowman ring for one, they last a long time when fed properly. Having a sufficient amount of castor oil is the key, and some synthetic to help keep things from gumming up. In certain situations they are as good as anything else, in my opinion. I love my ST.60's just because of the way they start up and how they sound when working right in the air! If your .46 is low time, find a good ring for it as a spar, treat it nice and it will probably last as long as the model!
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Re: OS 60FP useable for stunt
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2019, 11:07:46 PM »
Since you bring up the topic of Super Tigre engines, are the ringed .46 and ringed small case .60 really that easy to start and maintain?  Engines without rings, like the LA .46 start pretty easy.  I'm planning to campaign a Super Tigre .46 on a Stiletto, at least briefly.  I'm concerned that one bad run might cause the ring to lose temper.

    That is not the biggest issue, although you don't want to overheat it or miss the needle. What drove me (and almost everyone else) crazy was the tendency to run well one day, and not the next, for reasons undetermined.  Given that it is a Stiletto, I would think even a pretty weak but smooth engine would be OK for classic-era performance. Lots and lots of people did it in the day, it will work as well as it ever did.

    The test for a good ring is to turn it over by hand forward and backward. If it has the same strong compression in both directions, it usually runs pretty well, if it has way more compression when turned one way compared the other (usually low when turned over forward and strong when it is backwards), then, it's liable to be pretty weak.

    Start with everything stock (including the stock .156 venturi), and a 11-6 or 11.5-6 prop, use a blend fuel like SIG Champion or Powermaster "Air", or Powermaster GMA, 10 or 15%. Don't use straight castor, or more than about 22% oil. I used a K&B Idle Bar plug. Experiment with props like the 12-6 Rev-Up. If you can get second venturi, you can try drilling it out to .168 or .173. If it misfires or quits mysteriously, replace the head gasket, and if necessary, add another 0.005" or 0.008" shim, NO MORE. If you think it needs more, you are trying to solve the wrong problem. You want as much compression/power as you can possibly get.

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Re: OS 60FP useable for stunt
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2019, 04:51:27 PM »
tighten the collet .



http://library.modelaviation.com/ma/1989/7/control-line-aerobatics

Bust the glaze .



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Thanks TED .  H^^

.180 od intake for a 60 inch ship ?, I run a .210 in one of em , for 65 Oz . ( ST 46 . a healthy one ) .

Kiwi Land in days or yore , overheard ' run muffler pressure , with the factory multi jet intake ' New Zealand as often as not has rough choppy air , if you fly at all. good for yachting .
' Keeps the fuel up at the jets , otherwise runs uneven , as alternates flow though varying number ( of orifaces ) . Yes. they did fly. In NewZealand. In those days . Early/ mid 70s .

In Australia with  midicinal castor oil , back then , said to get one or two outlets blocking , with the stringy stuff in the oil/fuel . So theres anonother ' watch for ' ,
Along with dried castor congelling in the NVA , after a week or two's non use . On anything obviously . Think in summer it sets before running out .
Of course , shortly after hearing this . . . . suffered it .

Ignorance is Bliss . If brute force is avoided scrupulously .  ;D :P

Couldnt find a dedicated S Tigre fred , Maybe there should be one for St 46/60 stunt set up . fixed up the top .

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