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Offline frank mccune

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Can an engine be damaged from a too wide of change of speed?
« on: August 02, 2020, 08:32:54 AM »
     Hello All:

     While flying my HP .40 powered Ringmaster Imperial yesterday, it was mentioned that operating this engine over a very wide rpm. range may not be good for longevity.

     Here is a bit of information.  The engine is a HP .40 with a Brian Gardner ABC piston and sleeve. The tank is a standard 5oz. sans uniflow.  The fuel is 20% synthetic with no nitro.


     The plane is launched in a very wet burgling two cycle where it remains until about one half of the fuel is exhausted. For some reason, I have been unable to get the HP .40 engines to run in a four cycle.  They work very well in a wet two cycle with an 11-4 or an 11-5 prop.  After that the engine goes into a very powerful and fast two cycle until the fuel supply is depleted.  It does not to become overheated.  The question that arose was, is operating this engine over this broad rpm range pose a problem for the engine.

     One solution is to remove the existing tank and replace it with a Uniflow tank which would demand a bit of effort as the plane is glued together.  Can you say surgery?  Or can I continue flying this engine as it is?

      Suggestions/Comments

     Tia,

     Frank McCune

Offline Tim Wescott

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Re: Can an engine be damaged from a too wide of change of speed?
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2020, 09:44:14 AM »
If it is truly not overheating, then it should be fine.  Any decrease in engine life will be something like you'll get 1000 flights out of it instead of 2000.

Run a Fox 35 like that, with that prop, and it would be running too lean at the end, and overheating.  So you're probably OK.

Try running the thing on muffler pressure -- that has a bit of a speed regulating effect, because as the speed goes up the muffler pressure does, too, which richens the mixture.  It'll still lean out, but maybe not as much.
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Re: Can an engine be damaged from a too wide of change of speed?
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2020, 05:10:17 AM »
Man up and do the surgery

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Re: Can an engine be damaged from a too wide of change of speed?
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2020, 06:58:59 AM »
     Hi All:

     I decided to “man up” and do a R&R on the fuel tank.  I may replace it or modify it to Uniflow.  The original tank is constructed from brass and fits like a glove.  However, a fifty year old brass tank send chills down my fuel line!

     Thanks to all who replied.

     Frank McCune

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Re: Can an engine be damaged from a too wide of change of speed?
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2020, 12:59:59 PM »
Part of trimming these days is moving the energy storage thingie up or down -- you move the tank up or down to tune the engine's response upright and inverted, you move the battery up or down to tune the vertical CG.

So while you're being manly, if there's space in there make the tank removable and shimmable.
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Re: Can an engine be damaged from a too wide of change of speed?
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2020, 02:14:23 PM »
RC motors routinely go from idle to full throttle without damaging them.  Stunt engines are mostly RC motors with a venturi.  Just don't overheat.  If you get that dying cat sound (better known as a McCoy 35) you are in trouble.

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