Hi Engine guys,
(Help Randy)
I've always heard that the enya 60 was patterned after the Super Tigre 60. The enya 60 (7032) weighs more but does it perform the same as the Tigre??? I noticed that the bottom end of the enya is much bigger than the tigre. Does the enya have more stroke?? How can they be the same when the enya is bigger in size?? Isn't there something different going on in the enya than the tigre??? I've even heard that some parts on the enya 45 can be fitted into the G 21/46 tigre??? Is all of this true, I'm really curious, cause I own both engines and they don't same to be the same to me. Each one runs very good (can't compare to Randy's motors or a Ro Jett) I have merco engines also, the merco lite case will switch out with the tigre but I believe the merco is a little milder than a tigre. They all like to run around the same rpm, (7800 to 8200) I've watched people pay 200 to 250 for a tigre (maybe even more) and I just bought another merco for 13.82? Also the enya can go very cheap also?? I bought a couple of enya's from Thomas and was running one of them the other day and wouldn't trade it. Now my tigre in my stiletto is great also but mine is a mild engine (stock rebuild bye Mr. Frank) I use stock muffler and just purrs right through the pattern. All three engines seems to need around six ounces of fuel, I use 5% or less. Just curious in Clovis why if all three engines are about the same, why someone would pay that much??? I understand if you're buying one of the new dogs but for us wannabes, what's wrong with the enya or merco over the famous tigre. I bought my tigre back in the 70, when tower made one last run of super tigre 60 c/l engines. I hope someone can straighten me out about this, Gary

Hi guys,
I forgot to mention the K&B 61 it also suppose to be timed the same as the tigre. All of this gossip, is it true, if so how come each engine seems to run a little different. The K&B seems to run stronger than all of them? I also have heard that the enya is a better made motor than the tigre??? I wish someone could figure out which motor is really the same, if any of them is the same. Everyone stresses weight and yes a lot of them weigh a lot more than others. Just to many motors to choose from and they all seem to work? Just scratching my head? Gary

Gary

The ENYA is the best made of the bunch  Enya  has  2 60s,  However they are all being used and  all  good motors, so use what you like of the 3  or  use all 3, There is nothing wrong with any of the 3 you are asking about

Randy

Go with the PA as it has multiple champions using it and has a good back up as far as any troubles that may be encountered.  Of course any engine is only as good as the operator and how well instructions are followed. 

Todays engines are so great compared to when I was trying to break in a new Fox, K&B or even a Johnson back then.  Have fun, DOC Holliday

""I used to look for the great 4-2-4 run but I found that its better to have a 4-4-4 run, of coarse you have to have a engine that will produce the power needed to keep the plane in the air. With the 4-2-4 run the plane seems to react different with each cycle and makes it a lot harder to do good maneuvers when the pull on the plane changes. """


Gary

NO that is not correct, it is all in knowing HOW to setup the motor. If you setup a 4-4 run incorrectly, you will have a horrible run, the same for a 4-2. You can very easily setup a 4-2 run to maintain the same speed in the manouvers, this works very well and it makes it easier to keep the manouver tracking. Many people I see setup the 4-2 with TOO much nitro, TOO much compression, and TOO large of a venturie that they drilled out and made a tube out of it. This makes for an inconsistant run with speeding up much too much in places.
With whichever setup you go to you MUST set it up for that to be optimized. And you cannot set it up to do both.
It really doesn't matter to me how you setup the type of run you want, just know the facts and be happy with what your doing, both will work very well. There are however some motor that will do both and there are some that will NOT do both.

Regards
Randy

“I've always heard that the enya 60 was patterned after the Super Tigre 60”

I would like to know for sure who copy who, but it is true, both engines are almost identical internally with the same BorexStroke, exact same ports and timings.

The Enya is bigger because its built tougher, with a thicker wall crankcase.

The only internal difference is that the Enya has a fuel by pass(two holes in the piston and on the liner). And the latest ST 60 had PDP.

The heads are different but one will fit the other perfectly. The combustion chamber is a bit different between the 6032 and 6033, and the ST 60 had quite a few different heads.

My friend who has both engines said to me he prefers the Enya 60III because it does not vibrate as much as the ST 60.

Martin

Hi Randy,

Here is some pictures of my ST 46. I did have a 11/6 wide blade on her and she seemed to like it very well. As you can see at the moment I have a APC 11/6, it seems to work well but not as well as the wide blade. The engine doesn't seem to mind the apc prop. It was fun running really nice and rich slow laps and still have a ton of power when I pulled the nose up. I really like this engine and I don't like it going into such a strong 2 cycle. I had a tube muffler that didn't seem to let her go into a real hard 2 cycle. A tongue muffler let her run wild, so I didn't want to use it. I bought this mac's muffler and it sounds very good, just seems to let her go into a little more 2 cycle than I like. Maybe the muffler hasn't anything to do with what is happening but the engine seems to run different with each muffler set up??? The engine like 5% 20% fuel, I have also tried 10/22 GMA Fuel and it works also. I just don't seem to have the need for the extra nitro in my fuel. I don't like to run a pressure system.  I appreciate any advice you can give me, Gary

Hi Pete,

I'll probably try Randy's tube muffler. At the moment I changed engines to another Super Tigre. This one has Randy's tongue muffler (Aero Products). Mr. Frank Bowman reworked this baby for me and she is a sweet heart. Tomorrow I'm going to try her with this tongue muffler, hope it works out. The stock muffler is just to big and ugly. I was using the 51 in my Chipmonk but the plane was thirty something years old and the flap control horn worn out. Didn't hurt the plane to much when she pancaked in but when I found the problem. I just kissed the plane goodbye, it lived a good life. I'm just having fun trying different engines on my Tutor. Probably install my Double Star 61 RE Lite Case on her next, Ha Ha. Gary

Hi Matt,

My ST 60 is very quiet with the  stock muffler. I received another Merco 61 today, on the back plate is scratched R S. I wonder if this is one of the famous Mr. Randy Smith that has a birthday today??? The engine is very pretty but its one of the heavier Merco's, not sure what I'll use her in. Most of my Merco's are the lite case, two ounces lighter than the newer Merco. (Lite Case 11 ounces, regular case 13 ounces) Also the venturi size is different on a lot of the Merco's. The square bottom case has a smaller opening than the lite case. Both seems to use around the same amount of fuel. I even have some merco with a dykes ring. My best Merco's are the ones with the dual rings. They seem to have more power and will run a little higher rpm's. They are such a pretty motor,  Chrome looking heads, some black heads, can't remember what other colors they have for the Merco's. The Merco has its own sound and if you like the sound of the tigre, you'll like the Merco also, Gary

Hi Matt,

Some say that the other plug helps keep the fire lite. Myself, I don't think so. I've put a dead glow plug in to start the engine, let it run to warm up pull the flow igniter off and the engine stops!!!! I've tried different ways to see if the second glow plug works and I think all the second plug does is fill the extra hole. It looks neat to have the two glow plugs. I've never put a glow igniter on both plug and tried to start the engine. Wouldn't you have to have a bunch more fuel entering to get a good stunt run? I ran my ST 51 with a tongue muffler today and man what a nice ride. I was using a 12/5 prop, turning 5.5 laps and still had plenty of power. Yes the laps was a little slow but fun to fly that slow and was able to do the complete pattern. I guess that's what power will do for ya. They say the Enya 60 is a better build engine but I don't think they have the power the good old ST 60 has??? I flew my brothers Strega  with my K&B 61, now that's a power horse. The K&B runs around 9000 rpm's and it hasn't broke a sweat, you can deeper if needed and she'll still come back after that maneuvers, Gary

What length lines are you using?  Myself I don't time laps until I get the plane I am flying to fly the way I want it to.  Then after I have several flights on the set up do I time a lap(upright and inverted) just for reference.  Have fun, DOC Holliday

Hi John,
We like to check lap times, rpm's on the engine, what each different prop does and just about anything you can think of. You're correct the plane has to fly well before anything means anything. To be honest anything faster than 5 second laps and it seems to be harder to keep up with the plane. Yesterday was really fun cause the plane was flying slow and the lines didn't go slack anywhere. I was flying my old tutor arf, using a ST 51 rebuild bye Mr. Frank Bowman, 5/20 fuel and a wide 12/5 prop. It was neat watching the plane go through the square eights with great line tension. If I could fly my plane at 7 second laps I would do it, just old and lazy, Gary