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Offline bruce grosser

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os max-h 1969 vintage
« on: June 16, 2011, 07:54:52 AM »
I have an OS  Max-H that I bought in 1969. I want to fly it again but don't know what fuel mix to use. I have on hand some 12% nitro,18% synthetic. I have checked the mixing formula elsewhere on this forum and have come up with 1.6 oz. to bring it up to 22% oil. (per quart) Does this sound right? Would this engine require castor and how much? Also how does this engine compare to modern engines? It is a 40 size RC, factory converted to CL. I know that there has been aquantum leap in engine design since ' 69. Could it be eqivelent to a modern 35 or even a 25?                                                                                                                                                                                           Thanks in advance   Bruce Grosser "The Northeast Kingdom's only (and lonely) control line flyer."

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Re: os max-h 1969 vintage
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2011, 12:14:14 PM »
I have an OS  Max-H that I bought in 1969. I want to fly it again but don't know what fuel mix to use. I have on hand some 12% nitro,18% synthetic. I have checked the mixing formula elsewhere on this forum and have come up with 1.6 oz. to bring it up to 22% oil. (per quart) Does this sound right? Would this engine require castor and how much? Also how does this engine compare to modern engines? It is a 40 size RC, factory converted to CL. I know that there has been aquantum leap in engine design since ' 69. Could it be eqivelent to a modern 35 or even a 25?                                                                                                                                                                                           Thanks in advance   Bruce Grosser "The Northeast Kingdom's only (and lonely) control line flyer."

HiBruce
A good fuel for it would be 22 to 24 % oil part castor, start with 10 nitro, The motor is a good strong one, not quite up to modern but will do well.
What type size plane will it use?

Randy

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Re: os max-h 1969 vintage
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2011, 12:14:30 PM »
If it's like the 60H Gold Head then modern castor / synthetic mix is OK. The 60 H is a ringed ball bearing engine, the 60 does not have an Iron piston. Not sure about the 40 though, I'd up the oil content by addin castor rather than all synthetic but thats me. Best to get additional input as I can only reference my OS 60 H. Power should be that of a modern 25 or thereabout as it is a standard loop scavenged engine and not a schnurle arrangement with boost ports typical of later model engines.
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Re: os max-h 1969 vintage
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2011, 10:11:18 PM »
Basically there are 2 types of Max-H engines. Early ones had a straight bypass while later ones had more of a "V" shape. All of the later type were RC with twin ball races but may have been offered as a CL version with a venturi. Early versions included a 35 which had an iron piston so definitely needed lots of castor. The early 40's were all ringed but used a single rear ball race except for the P (Pylon) version which had twin ball races. The RC engine was just marked 40 on the transfer port but other versions had a letter underneath the 40 with either S (stunt), P (pylon) or RR (rat race).

The later version didn't come out until '72 so yours must be one of the earlier type. Personally I'd use ~25% all castor or the same oil content with a bit of synthetic mixed in. I have a couple of the H-35's and an H-40S but I must admit I've never used them.

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Re: os max-h 1969 vintage
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2011, 06:34:27 AM »
Randy    I'm building a Magician from Brodak plans. I enlarged the wing 20% and brought the stab/elev up to 25% of that. I am concerned about the wing loading with the heavier engine. Other than that everything is per plans.  I figure Jim Silhavey kinda knew what he was doing. I' m at  the point in construction where I can make changes easily. From what I have seen on this forum everyone seems to rate the 25 LA as the right engine for this size plane .   Bruce                                                                                                                     

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Re: os max-h 1969 vintage
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2011, 02:01:22 PM »
attached are photos of the OS 40 H engines, One of these should be yours unless it was a converted RC engine.
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Re: os max-h 1969 vintage
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2011, 03:46:12 PM »
Randy    I'm building a Magician from Brodak plans. I enlarged the wing 20% and brought the stab/elev up to 25% of that. I am concerned about the wing loading with the heavier engine. Other than that everything is per plans.  I figure Jim Silhavey kinda knew what he was doing. I' m at  the point in construction where I can make changes easily. From what I have seen on this forum everyone seems to rate the 25 LA as the right engine for this size plane .   Bruce                                                                                                                    

Hi

That 40 is stronger than a new 25, It is very close to a ST 46 in power. The engine is a cross flow, or single bypass motor, it is not loop charged.
Dr. Schnuerle invented this type of porting called "loop scavenging" because the two incoming charges "loop" over each other in the cylinder.

Prop the motor correctly and I think you will like it a lot

Randy
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Re: os max-h 1969 vintage
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2011, 09:37:19 PM »
Peter     Thank you for taking the time to research this and for posting the photos. My engine is clearly the 1965 version with the venturi from the 1970 version. I do not know the history of this thing as I bought it used from a base hobby shop whe I was stationed in So. Korea. It came in the original box with a spare head and nothing else. I tried the spare and determined it was way too fast.   Again many thanks    Bruce

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Re: os max-h 1969 vintage
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2011, 09:47:20 PM »
Randy   What would you suggest  for a starting point prop? I have on hand 10/5 11/5 and 12/5. I use the 12/5 on my 46LA and it works great. I' not familiar with the ST 46. How do these engines compare? Thanks for the information.       Bruce

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Re: os max-h 1969 vintage
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2011, 11:19:50 PM »
Hi
Depends on the plane, I used a 11 x 5W  and a 12 x6 cut to 11.5, they worked very well on the OS

Randy

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Re: os max-h 1969 vintage
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2011, 12:15:03 PM »
I have a NIB engine that is the same thing (i think) that you are talking about. It is an O.S. Max H40P Pylon Racing according to the box. The original instructions call for break in with a 10 X 6 prop and 9X8 to 10 X 8 for racing and 11 X5 to 11 X 6 for r/c stunt.

It calls for 25% to 30% castor oil for break in and 25% caster for racing and r/c stunt.  Of course this was before synthetics. The instructions farther state that the engine is designed specifically for " Goodyear" type racing limited to .40 size engines. It also states that the  power output is equal to that of a 50 to 55 size r/c engine.

I hope this info is of some use to you.

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Re: os max-h 1969 vintage
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2011, 10:36:05 PM »
Thanks to all who replied. Sorry for the delay in responding. Kelley, your info explains a lot. Every plane I've used it on was way too fast ,being .19 to .35 size.           Bruce


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