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Offline rustler

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Vintage engines fuel
« on: May 12, 2011, 04:21:01 PM »
Any advice out there concerning running old sparkies as glows? 50+ years ago I ran a Brown on glow, probably 75/25, all castor, - seemed o.k.
Rather large vintage looking 3/8" glow plug, so the idea definitely existed when glows arrived.
I'm about to do the same again, but any do's/don'ts?
I was wondering about introducing some IPA to "detune" the fuel a bit, bringing it nearer to petrol (= gas).
Maybe I should enquire on a vintage f/f forum. Is there one?
Ian Russell.
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Re: Vintage engines fuel
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2011, 07:56:00 PM »
Kind of depends on which sparky. Atwood Super Champs, Anderson Spitfires, and McCoy 60's, will all run well on glow. Super Cykes, Ohlsson's, and most others will run well, but don't last to long. Cykes and Ohlsson's, will beat out the front bushing pretty quick. As for fuel, I would run at least 28% oil, with mostly castor. They all run fine on ignition with glow fuel if you keep the nitro at 5% or lower, and keep the timer retarded a little. Forster 29's thru 35's will also run fine on glow plugs and glow fuel. Just my 2 cents, and others may say different.
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Re: Vintage engines fuel
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2011, 06:11:10 AM »
Ian - I have been running two vintage engines for the past 15 years.
My Atwood Triumph 49 Glow (Identical to the spark version) has been run on ONLY 10-22 or 10-23 fuel, both 50/50 castor/synthetic. Hundreds of flights and still in like-new condition.
My OK Super 60 (spark) has been run on gasoline/castor, 75/25 with just a bit of nitrobenzene. Again, never a problem, not even a fouled plug, in well over 350 flights.

Both engines were new when I started using them.

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Re: Vintage engines fuel
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2011, 01:18:37 PM »
Kind of depends on which sparky.

Brown "D", and a rather ratty one too! And it's going to be run on glowplug, at least to begin with. Prop is a KK 14 x 6 Truflex.

Thanks everyone so far, any more contributions?
« Last Edit: May 18, 2011, 01:12:08 PM by rustler »
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Re: Vintage engines fuel
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2011, 02:23:58 PM »
If your Brown is truly "ratty", then you won't lose much if it destructs on glo.  But, the insides of Brown engines are amazingly weak.  Especially the con rod.  The wrist pin looks smaller than it should be.  I never ran my Brown D  (60-size) faster than 5500 RPM on spark ignition.  Any faster, I don't think it would have survived.

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Re: Vintage engines fuel
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2011, 01:41:59 PM »
Floyd et al - o.k. here's the story. way back in '56 as a 16 year old, I had come by a "B" (lapped piston?) Brown. I also posessed a 1938 Zaic year book, in which were details of the Carol Krupp 1937 Bowden Trophy winner. I decided I would enter one of these aircraft 20 years later, in 1957.
That year they decided not to have the contest any more, as interest had dropped off too much.
The Bowden has now been resurrected and is flown to similar rules (I think). A new stipulation these days is that models must have a cockpit.
I have now come by a 1937 Krupp model in a trade. My "B" Brown is long gone. No time to sort out the sparks, but the ratty old "D" Brown (ringed) I now own is showing signs of being a runner on glow! Yesterday I ran out some primes on 75/25 o.k. and also on 75/25 IPA/Castor, but the plug needed to stay connected. Today I got a tank attached and got consistent runs on 75/25 and 50/25/25, methanol/ipa/castor. I agree the Brown parts look weak, the wrist pin looks frightening! Next run I'll get a tach on it and check the revs.
If I can get it even semi-sorted in time I'll have a go at our f/f Nats in two weeks, 74 years later. If it leaves the ground I shall have fulfilled my ambition! Maybe I should wait till next year, 75 years? And 55 years after my first intentions. I have a cunning plan to meet the letter of the law concerning cockpits/pilots.  ;)
« Last Edit: May 18, 2011, 04:37:47 AM by rustler »
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Re: Vintage engines fuel
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2011, 04:42:18 AM »
Looking promising. Doctored from 80/10/10 stunt fuel, - 73 methanol/18 castor/9 Klotz.  4800-4950rpm 4stroke plug.
14 x 6 KK Truflex prop. Hopefully this will save the engine in the event of a SUDDEN ARRIVAL!
Ian Russell.
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