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Offline Chris Belcher

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stalker motors
« on: June 02, 2014, 02:27:16 PM »
Are Stalker motors still available?...looking for a 46 side exhaust

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Re: stalker motors
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2014, 04:36:42 PM »
You can get them from the factory directly or from Kaz Minato.

By the way, last years National Champion of Russia flew the Stalker. This is huge for two reasons:

1) Russians are notorious for not using production motors. Even though they fly by the FAI rules, the culture of building everything themselves has been prevalent there. This is the first time a production engine has won the Russian NATS.
2) Stalker has been considered less "desirable" of the Ukranian produced stunt engines. Yatsenko's Discovery engine is assumed to be "better" because Yatsenko's are actively participating in international stunt events and their engine have a much larger international exposure. Truth be told, last year's winner campaigned with Discovery engines for years and has not been able to achieve the top spot. Since switching to Stalker, Eugene Yakovlev has won the NATS and is poised to be a strong competitor at this year's WC. This is a clear sign that Stalkers are very capable powerplants.

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Re: stalker motors
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2014, 09:55:49 AM »
I might consider another Stalker, but only if they have re-engineered the muffler attachment.  One of mine has O-rings, which must be replaced after 3 flights.  The other has a screw coupler, which is never tight enough.  Why can't they use a couple bolts, like RO and PA engines?

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Re: stalker motors
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2014, 10:45:07 AM »
You can get them from the factory directly or from Kaz Minato.
Been a fan of Stalkers.  Wasn't aware of the factory direct option. Do you have a link ?
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Re: stalker motors
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2014, 10:54:43 AM »
I might consider another Stalker, but only if they have re-engineered the muffler attachment.  One of mine has O-rings, which must be replaced after 3 flights.  The other has a screw coupler, which is never tight enough.  Why can't they use a couple bolts, like RO and PA engines?

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Hi Floyd.

What kind of O-rings have you used? At least the ones that come from Yatsenko's (made at Antonov plant) last very well. I'd guess that Stalker uses same material. And you can buy even better ones easily from smallparts.com. You just have to figure out the size (in mm). Both Viton and softer silicone rubber rings work well.

Lauri


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« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2014, 11:03:39 AM »
I had a 46 SE back in the 90s and it was one of the best stunt motors I ever ran. I swear i would set the needle valve at the beginning of summer and never touch it until beginning of fall when it cooled off. It even sensed when it was windy and would lean itself out a little....just kidding but it was almost that good:)
Mine had standard two screw muffler attachment if i remember correctly. I must have flown it for 4 or 5 seasons in a 52oz Bucaneer 740 ...hundreds of flights and the day I sold it :( it was still running strong. Ran into the guy who bought it 17 years later and he told me it went for 4 more seasons and somebody stuck it in the ground.
It had the sweetest 4/2 break and 1 flip starts.
 All that to ask this...are they still the same?

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« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2014, 11:50:16 AM »
Been a fan of Stalkers.  Wasn't aware of the factory direct option. Do you have a link ?

http://stalkerf2b.narod.ru/

or email

stalkerf2b@mail.ru

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« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2014, 12:12:54 PM »
What kind of O-rings have you used? At least the ones that come from Yatsenko's (made at Antonov plant) last very well. I'd guess that Stalker uses same material. And you can buy even better ones easily from smallparts.com. You just have to figure out the size (in mm). Both Viton and softer silicone rubber rings work well.

   I don't have a stalker but in any of the cases where slip-fits or screw-in systems were used, they didn't work. Floyd has the right idea, it would be a big improvement if there was some positive way to attach the muffler. That has kept me from using some of these engines.

    Brett

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« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2014, 01:08:23 PM »
Brett,

Please tell why&how they did not work.
I must say that I have not used Stalkers myself, but I have flown thousands of flights with Retro engines, they have a slip fit muffler mounting, sealed with an O-ring. Very little problems. And now with our own engine with similar construction, allready over 1000 flights sans problems.
But I agree that not all Stalkers have got it right; some have a "hard" muffler mounting, bolted directly to case and some have a single big thread. In my opinion that's asking for trouble. It's important that the silencer can float without a hard connection to the engine, and also have a flexible mounting in the rear end of muffler.
By the way, one good trick is to wrap 1-2 layers of thin Teflon (for plumbing) tape over and under the O-ring. It protects the ring from burning and getting stuck in the aluminium surfaces.
Only modification that I will make in our new engine is to have 2 O-rings instead of one. It should be a little more forgiving in use. But if the fit geometry is correct and parts well prepared, one ring is just fine, too.

Lauri

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Re: stalker motors
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2014, 10:15:50 AM »
Lauri and I must think alike!  I have tried Teflon plumber tape under the O rings, and also over the O rings.  I'm now trying some tape with fiberglass fibers that run lengthwise.  In all cases, it is the heat that wrecks the O rings, and any tape.

I got a bag of 100 O -rings made of "Vitron" from McMaster-Carr.  They are better, but not a very good solution to the original problem.

I like the Stalker, in spite of this problem.

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« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2014, 10:41:27 AM »
You know the thing is, that every time you remove the muffler you better put a new ring. I have found out that once in place, the new ring lasts very well but it inevitably burns stuck into the metal surface and gets damaged when you remove it. So never re-use an old o-ring.
As I said, my red silicone  o-rings feel better but I may have to use a diferend interference fit with them. Silicone is more brittle under compression but it seals better with looser fit than a Viton ring. I think my final solution is 2 silicone rings.
Another thing; a good teflon grease, like Fomblin UT-18 helps too. But then you must find another way than friction to prevent the muffler from turning.

Lauri

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Re: stalker motors
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2014, 12:50:04 PM »

Please tell why&how they did not work.

   In the screw-in cases, most of the time, the muffler came loose and vibrated itself to the point that the threads were destroyed. This despite how hard you crank down on the jam nut. Most of these ended up J-B Welded to the stub header. I expect this is because they (and the slip-on type) act like tuning forks, cantilevered out on a thin header or narrow exhaust boss.

    In the slip-ons, what I have seen is that with no positive retention to the engine, you have to build something into the airplane to hold the aft end. If everything is not exactly right, it comes loose and flies off.

    Brett

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Re: stalker motors
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2014, 01:45:18 PM »
yes the o rings are a problem with stalker r e motors  what i did was shorten the first part of the silencer and couple it with a piece of silcone coupler with some tie wraps i did this for over ten years  in my opinin the staker 4 2 4 large case is much more easier to tune to your way of running than a retro the retro engine is locked into running the way the yatchencos made it    it must be used their way or you will kill your self trying to make it more american running 

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Re: stalker motors
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2014, 05:43:02 AM »
The current model stalkers use a bolt together muffler to case interface. They are also amongst the more flexible units as opposed to some that you must run their way or no way. I don't recall for certain, the 51 may have been screw together last time I sold one. But the 61's & 76 bolt on & don't require rear support.
« Last Edit: June 08, 2014, 04:58:40 PM by Brian Gardner »

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Re: stalker motors
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2014, 07:15:46 PM »
yes the o rings are a problem with stalker r e motors  what i did was shorten the first part of the silencer and couple it with a piece of silcone coupler with some tie wraps...i did this for over ten years... 

Somebody I know did exactly this with their Stalker, but I can't recall right now who it was or which Stalker it was done on. Good plan, I think!  H^^ Steve
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Re: stalker motors
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2014, 12:32:31 PM »
I'm using a strong clamp at the aft end of the muffler, but the O-rings still get loose.  I would cut off the muffler and use a soft coupler, but can't modify this plane.  Maybe the next one.

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Re: stalker motors
« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2014, 02:00:39 AM »
Try these guys http://technohobby.com.ua/online-shop/en/engine-stalker-st46-se I've not personally dealt with them but from others here in New Zealand I've spoken to I hear they are good to deal with.

Just got my hands on a ST51re and can't wait to get it in a plane.

Hope this helps

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« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2014, 08:25:53 AM »
  I flew my Stalker .51 a number of fights it has a screw on muffler . I installed it in the plane &  supported the rear of the muffler with red silicone so to insure there is no movement . It seems to work I haven't had any trouble   ,maybe 40 flights.  Not a lot but still no trouble. My .81 use's 2 4-40 screws to hold the muffler on ,,works great. I feet the need to stick the back of the muffler to the bottom of the tank box to keep it steady,
   I like the way they run I like the power of the .51 but for some reason my .81 is a little weak  just not much go in it considering the power to weight ratio.
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