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Offline Mike Scholtes

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Stalker .61 in ARF Score
« on: January 09, 2007, 09:03:58 PM »
Uncle Jimby Aaron tested a brand-new Stalker 61 in his Score at Alameda CA on January 7, 2007. Jim ran three tanks of fuel through the new motor then installed a smaller venturi (sorry, no specs on size) and got a great, growling low-rpm run on 3-blade Bolly. Lap times in upper 5-sec range. Helper was the always ready Ted Fancher.

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Re: Stalker .61 in ARF Score
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2007, 12:22:09 PM »
Nice set up. What pitch prop are you using?                                                                                     

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Re: Stalker .61 in ARF Score
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2007, 01:07:21 PM »
Uncle Jimby Aaron tested a brand-new Stalker 61 in his Score at Alameda CA on January 7, 2007. Jim ran three tanks of fuel through the new motor then installed a smaller venturi (sorry, no specs on size) and got a great, growling low-rpm run on 3-blade Bolly. Lap times in upper 5-sec range. Helper was the always ready Ted Fancher.

Please let us know the size and pitch of that Bolly. Fuel and such. Is this the standard .61, or one of the LT Long stroke versions?
 
I've been in touch with Cleon Lingwood, who is also testing his Stalker in a Score ARF. His is the earlier version standard to like mine. He's getting pretty good performance with FAI fuel, A meslik (sp) 12.5 X 6 prop, and has reported excellent torque from the set up.

I forgot to mention that he added a head shim because he detected a little pre-ignition. That smoothed it right out.


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Re: Stalker .61 in ARF Score
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2007, 02:43:24 PM »
A lot of things happen that day , Jim tryed diffrent props ended up with a 3 bld Bolly 12x5.5 will probably cut it down to 11 1/2x 5 and the fuel went from 10% to 22% and also doubled the head shims from stock to get a 4 cycle, this still not in stone , but is a test. the Stalker is 2.2 not sure what that means . Ted or Jim can clear this up.
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Re: Stalker .61 in ARF Score
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2007, 04:31:33 PM »
Jim flew the model and engine on a previous day and got a "screaming lean" run using the stock venturi that gave him concern for the engine's health. His flights Sunday with the smaller venturi were fine in the richness department, and I think he was launching at 7000 or so rpm. The Bolly was repitched at the tips. As  Larry notes fuel tried was from 10% to 20% nitro. Jim keeps his fuel cans in an insulated container for picnics. No, not to serve the guests. Maybe we can get Jim or Ted to post the real scoop here, but the first impressions were very good. By the way Jim sees the Score as a test bed for the engine, until the all-ARF contest in July that is!

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Re: Stalker .61 in ARF Score
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2007, 06:15:30 PM »
As ARF Score goes Mike Has a Super Tiger in it and has some great flights , at 5.0 -5.7 0n 70 ft lines, Mike knows the Score trim & Balance vary well.  y1
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Re: Stalker .61 in ARF Score
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2007, 05:37:28 AM »
Hi Mike, the 2.2 Stalkers are suppose to run at a slow 2 cycle, no 4-2-4, kinda like a 4 stroke which is constant speed. That might be why you guys are having a little difficulty getting good runs. From my experience with the Stalkers I run, I havent found an easier engine to get conistant runs.                                                              Jim

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Re: Stalker .61 in ARF Score
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2007, 07:07:47 PM »
I was sort of hoping Uncle Jimby would post something on our work last Sunday.  He must be out refinancing somebody's house or something.

Jim did ask me to come out and help him scratch his head over some less than sparkling performance he was getting from his .61.  He had it set up similar to one used succesfully down under but there was something missing.  He was using an Eather 12X4.25 three blade prop, running 22% nitro mostly synthetic fuel and using the largest of three venturis supplied with the engine (.300 or so with the two others around .290 and .280 respectively).  It was running the stock head shim which turned out to be 0.015" thick.  A uniflow plumbed plastic tank was behind the engine with provisions for running suction by capping the uniflow and leaving the overflow vent open.  The plug was a Thunderbolt four cycle.

The engine would be set rich on the ground in the low to mid 7K range and the problem was as stated above.  After launch it would go to a strong lean (but not meltdown range) two stroke with laps in the low four second range.

We diagnosed the problems as follows.

The venturi was clearly too large which was the main contributor to the runaways.  We did the "one big" step trick and replaced it with the smallest of the three venturis. 

The engine was losing some revs when the battery was disconnected.  We put in a fresh plug of the same time.

The engine gave indications of detonation which was sort of predicatable with the high nitro and stock head clearance.  We addressed this by putting in a bunch more head shim, essentially doubling it to 0.295" and by cutting back to 10% on the nitro.

The engine was running noticably richer inverted.  In need of a tank shim or uniflow tube adjustment.

Flights with those changes followed.  The runway problem more or less disappeared (one strange glich in some round insides sounded like it was going to runaway again but it backed back down inverted and didn't do that again.  The run was not consistent however, and power was not overwhelming although Jimby was doing all the tricks with lap times in the high fives.

We bumped the nitro up to 15% and switched to suction.  We also repropped with another EAther 12.5 but with 5.5 inches of pitch in the heart of the blade and washed out at the tips.

The flights that followed provided very acceptable engine runs in terms of consistency and quality of run.  Power was still nothing to write home about.

I think Jim next steps will be to gradually reduce the head shims and probably trim the prop to get revs up a bit while maintaining the engine is basically a full time four stroke.  The engine never "sounded" happy while it a two stroke.

This is where the engine was when we left the field sunday.  A fairly successful day with some light at the end of the tunnel.

Ted

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Re: Stalker .61 in ARF Score
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2007, 07:55:11 AM »
Ted, thanks for the info. I will tell you what info was told to me. The Stalker motors are 0 nitro motors. With every 5-10% nitro one head shim must be added. The tank height ,what I have experienced , is set dead even with engine spray bar, give or take 1/16 inch. I have had good luck with the venturi tha came in the engine. I run Sig fuel 10% nitro, 20% oil 1/2 and 1/2.                                                                                                                                                                                                               Best Regards,Jim

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Re: Stalker .61 in ARF Score
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2007, 12:46:29 PM »
I do believe that "Champione" Lampione has a Stalker in his Score.  Hopefully he will give us his findings.  He sounded very pleased with the set up.  But I know he has been out with Windy and "da boys" and the Strega ARF...............
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