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Offline ray copeland

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Calling all Cox junkies!
« on: January 03, 2008, 07:25:42 PM »
Still patching last year's leftovers before starting any new projects. Trying to get a little more power for my Hyper Viper w/o changing engines. I have a Tee Dee .051 with the typical busted plastic carb body, thinking about putting the piston and cylinder on the sure start crankcase and back plate. Any thoughts about fuel draw through the sure start backplate and needle being adequate?  Is there a difference in the backplate and needle valve for a killer bee, i think those are still available. Any "hop up" thoughts would be helpful, would like to see around 18,000 rpm with a 5x3 prop staying with the sure start type backplate. Thanks, Ray
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Re: Calling all Cox junkies!
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2008, 08:26:09 PM »
You can pick up a bit of power, Ray, by subbing a
Galbreath Head and Nelson HD Plug for the stock Cox unit. They're available from Larry Driskill - www.kittingittogetner.com - The head is $10 and the plugs are $3.75, so you'll start saving money on blown plugs as soon as you tip the nitro can a bit.

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Offline Robert McHam

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Re: Calling all Cox junkies!
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2008, 10:28:51 PM »
Quote by Larry Renger:
"As I recall, we found that the 5x3 black prop gave enough more rpm to make up the difference in diameter and produced the best flight performance.

Of course, a drilled venturi, Tee Dee piston and cylinder, and Galbreath/Nelson head would help too.

There was an article I did in the October 1974 issue of Model Airplane News (they actually did CL stuff then!!!) called "Super Tune your Super Stunter" telling what I knew then about making it perform extra well."

The Super Stunter has a backplate similar to the Hyper Viper but the engine had a single bypass cylinder. The one you have already has a double bypass like the Tee Dee so swapping is not likely to help.
Playing with the balance point could do a lot for performance and also trying to shave some weight anywhere you can especially around the tail feathers.

Larry is a good guy to,deal with but for several months now has been going thruogh some tough personal problems including a vehicle accident and a serious heath issue with another close family member. He has not been heard from in a while. When he gets back on his feet get the head from him. I hear they are the cats meow!

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Re: Calling all Cox junkies!
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2008, 08:34:36 AM »
You can pick up a bit of power, Ray, by subbing a
Galbreath Head and Nelson HD Plug for the stock Cox unit. They're available from Larry Driskill - www.kittingittogetner.com - The head is $10 and the plugs are $3.75, so you'll start saving money on blown plugs as soon as you tip the nitro can a bit.

Ralph

Back in December I got a head and a couple plugs from Larry D.  SUPER NICE GUY!  I plan on using mine on my Norvel .061, but they do just as good on the Cox engines.  The whole set up will more than pay for itself the first year since the cost of Cox heads have gone up sooo much.  It is about a wash now between the Galbreath head and a plug versus a stock Cox head, and there is a definite performance advantage to the Galbreath head/plug.

I agree with the others.  Open up the venturi like LArry Renger says, put in the *GOOD* head/plug, and use a 5X3.  You will see a performance advantage.
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Re: Calling all Cox junkies!
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2008, 03:30:48 PM »
Not exactly sure about the name venturi, is it the fuel hole in the spray bar or the hole where the reed goes..
Ray from Greensboro, North Carolina , six laps inverted so far with my hand held vertically!!! (forgot to mention, none level!) AMA# 902150

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Re: Calling all Cox junkies!
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2008, 01:33:38 PM »
Not exactly sure about the name venturi, is it the fuel hole in the spray bar or the hole where the reed goes..

The venturi is basically the air intake opening in the back plate where the reed is.  Opening the air intake allows more fuel to be burned, naturally, creating more power.
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Offline Larry Renger

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Re: Calling all Cox junkies!
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2008, 06:05:13 PM »
The venturi is indeed the air passage.  You need to remove the brass spraybar to do the drilling operation. 

First, remove the backplate from the engine and the sure start pipe unit.  Remove the reed valve and gasket.  Now, remove the needle valve and spring, then pull off the black Nylon seal.  At this point you can push the spraybar out the bottom of the backplate using the flat of a screwdriver blade so as not to damage the threads inside of the spraybar.

Drill out the venturi hole to match it's maximum diameter, thus removing the flat restrictor sections.  You can go about 1/32" larger diameter if you want even more power.  Clean the backplate thoroughly with soap and water to remove all plastic "crumbs".

Reinstall everything.  Be sure that the fuel jet hole in the venturi is pointing just out of sight to either side as viewed from the rear.  The ideal position is actually 15 degrees below straight across the venturi.  This position provides better fuel suction than the factory's straight down the pipe setting.
Think S.M.A.L.L. y'all and, it's all good, CL, FF and RC!

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Re: Calling all Cox junkies!
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2008, 01:53:56 AM »
While on the subject of Cox engines could someone tell me what engines I have I bought them of a friend of mine when he was quitting flying a number of years ago, they are Cox.049 with natural colored crankcases and black plastic or nylon venturi/carb housings, I understand that the venturis were probably drilled out to allow use of surgical tubing bladders, oh incidentally he used these for flying 1/2 A combat also I have a spare used case and black plastic or nylon venturi/carb housing with two spray bars and one needle for the same engines, could someone tell me if it is possible to get original suction venturis for these engines as I am torn as to wether to sell the engines as they are or use them in normal suction feed models as apart from anything else I have not got a clue as to what they are worth and won't sell an engine I can get fun out of. Particularly if the engines are not worth much.

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Re: Calling all Cox junkies!
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2008, 09:42:29 PM »
HI Ralph. That web site won't come up as printed>  D>K

Ty, the above link has an error, try:
http://www.kittingittogether.com/
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Re: Calling all Cox junkies!
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2008, 10:55:31 PM »
Richard, i don't think it would be worth the trouble to try to find and buy a new backplate for these engines. You can buy the whole engine (surestart) that would include a new stock backplate on *bay for about $15.00 including shipping! y1
Ray from Greensboro, North Carolina , six laps inverted so far with my hand held vertically!!! (forgot to mention, none level!) AMA# 902150

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Re: Calling all Cox junkies!
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2008, 07:01:08 AM »
Drilling the venturi can be frisky bidness.

If you make it TOO BIG if won't draw fuel in stunts (or maybe at all). 

Be sure you drill to a known workable size and have plenty of spares on hand unless you have a UNdrill.
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