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Author Topic: GP42 'richens' after take off : Why please ?  (Read 1038 times)

Offline Robin_Holden

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GP42 'richens' after take off : Why please ?
« on: May 23, 2011, 02:12:51 PM »
Greetings guys from a very hot and sultry S.W.France.

Advice please why my properly converted to C/L GP42 richens after a couple of laps after take off ?

My set up is :

23% all castor fuel , zero nitro.
APC 10.5 x 4.5 prop'.
Plastic R/C tank with uniflow , NO muffler pressure.
Tongue muffler , with extra holes drilled.

The OS NVA set to give around 10,300 at take off , just breaking near a 2-stroke. After a couple of laps you can clearly hear it returning to a full 4-stroke with the revs' reduced.

I know I could set it leaner at take off but I am loathe to do this.

Any help much appreciated.

Oh , my GP42 starts first flick every time as well. It was run -in properly on the bench before installing in an airplane.

Much obliged ,

Robin [ ex-pat Brit' in the Chrente full of ex-pat Brits' ! ]

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Re: GP42 'richens' after take off : Why please ?
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2011, 02:17:01 PM »
The OS NVA set to give around 10,300 at take off , just breaking near a 2-stroke. After a couple of laps you can clearly hear it returning to a full 4-stroke with the revs' reduced.

  If I understand correctly, that's about what all of mine do. The reduced load makes it more likely to misfire on alternate strokes, so further into a 4-stroke. A Fox 35 will be almost a solid 2 on the the ground, and then after about two laps be a solid 4.

   Brett

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Re: GP42 'richens' after take off : Why please ?
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2011, 03:14:16 PM »
We have not found an APC 10.5X4.5 to be a very good prop with this engine.Far better is the Thunder Tigre cyclone 11X4.5 and even the 12.5X3.75. It really likes to carry a little load on it.Of course we also use a little nitro 5/22 Powermaster fuel.
Dennis

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Re: GP42 'richens' after take off : Why please ?
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2011, 10:24:35 AM »
  If I understand correctly, that's about what all of mine do. The reduced load makes it more likely to misfire on alternate strokes, so further into a 4-stroke. A Fox 35 will be almost a solid 2 on the the ground, and then after about two laps be a solid 4.

   Brett

Brett thanks for that.

I posted this thread as this is the only engine I use which has richened after take off.

I'm using TT36's , Magnum 36's , LA46's , Tom Dixon mod'd ST51 and FP 35 for example.
Non of them changes tune after launching.They all hold the needle setting.

I'm going to experiment with other props' as suggested .

Thanks for your comments.

Robin.

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Re: GP42 'richens' after take off : Why please ?
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2011, 11:33:11 AM »

Robin,

I'd like to hear how your prop experiment turns out.  I have a similar situation with a different engine and likewise find it atypical of most engines.   

Are you running all your engines on no-nitro fuel, which I assume is unavailable or very expensive in France?  A friend who was running a Rustler Merco .61 on no-nitro fuel found that small changes in need setting made very large differences in run time. 

BTW, does the "very hot and sultry" refer to the weather or the bikinis?  I understand the south of France has fantastic sightseeing provided you don't bring your wife.   LL~ 

Thanks,
Kim Mortimore
Santa Clara, CA

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Re: GP42 'richens' after take off : Why please ?
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2011, 01:36:21 AM »
Kim , thanks for your contribution.

As regards fuel , I bought 5 gallons of 'straight' [ 80 / 20 all castor ]  FAI fuel recently at a very good price .

Over here 5 litres of fuel costs from around 29 Euros .....Don't know how many 'bucks' that is , sorry.

We also have to travel quite a way to get to a Model Shop. Delivery using one of the Mail Order operators adds another 12 euros to the cost as it cannot go by post , but by a carrier . [ flammable material ] .

I havn't noticed any problems setting the needle at all. I did add some synthetic to the fuel to take the overall lube' content to 23% .

I do think my problem is tank related.

Robin.

ps We're in SW France , just NE of Bordeaux. The beautiful crowd are down on the coast , St. Tropez etc. Car parks full of Ferraris , Masers , Jags and Porsches ! I remember it in '68. Just a sleepy village then.Too rich for me now.

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Re: GP42 'richens' after take off : Why please ?
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2011, 01:50:10 PM »
Hi Robin

That is very "normal" that a stunt engine richens after launch, ALL of mine do, they unload after they get in the air and have a much faster wind coming onto the prop, this unloads the engine and lets it get richer, You most times see this when the engine has a prop that loads it pretty well, props that are very small or very easy to turn do not load nearly as much and you will see much less of the "going rich effect"
If you are running in a 2 cycle this can be eliminated or reduced sometimes

Randy

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Re: GP42 'richens' after take off : Why please ?
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2011, 02:35:58 PM »
HI Robin,

I don't know nearly as much as Brett or Randy, but I see the exact same thing.  In fact I worry if certain engines DON'T do it!  About 1/2 lap to a full lap and the engines settle into a full 4 cycle if the needle setting is correct......  about the only ones that don't do this are OS 20 FPs set up in the Brett set up or other low pitch high rpm set ups which will still richen up slightly.  All my other "stunt" engines (PAs, Aero Tiger 36s, ST .51s, etc.,) will pretty much do it if set correctly and "propped" correctly.

My understanding (as explained by the aforementioned) is that when the model is waiting for release the engine is "loaded", but unloads somewhat once the model is flying.

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