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Offline Robert Zambelli

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REMCO 29
« on: July 18, 2024, 07:39:50 AM »
I found this in my "stuff" box.
Bought it around thirty years ago, new in the box, never run.
Anyone know about it?
Made in Denver, Colorado.

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Re: REMCO 29
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2024, 12:21:01 PM »
REMCO was a short-lived company in Denver beginning in the early '50s.  Their catalog only featured the .29 engine- first with spark ignition, and then glo.  At that time, K&B engines were very popular, and the REMCO was loosely based on the K&B formula.  Stories at that time indicated rapid engine wear, either from incorrect piston/cylinder materials, or metal treatment.  (that was before anyone began plating cylinders.)

REMCO residual inventory was sold to Randy Linslato, of RJL.  Randy has not indicated if the REMCO will ever appear again (many of RJL engine acquisitions are being held for some future demand (!))
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Re: REMCO 29
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2024, 01:18:40 PM »
  I have one that is new in box that i acquired many years ago. I was under the impression then that it was a reproduction/replica, and the box even looked too modern for it to be a 50's vintage product. I haven't tried to run it  yet.

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Re: REMCO 29
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2024, 03:02:02 PM »
Thanks, Floyd, thanks Dan.

OK, time to put it to the test!
One test is worth a thousand expert opinions.

I'll try and test it this week and post some results.
OK?

Bob Z.

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Re: REMCO 29
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2024, 03:57:39 PM »
OK, one test!

My expert opinion?   JUNK!

Remember, NEW!

I took it out of the box and cleaned it out.
First thing I noticed: Minimal if any compression. Felt like a worn-out McCoy redhead.
Not being one to quit, I tried an electric starter and was able get it to run - but not more than around two or three minutes. As soon as it stopped, it had ZERO compression.
I used a 9-6 wooden prop and tried 15% and 5% fuel.
Unacceptable results.

Suggestions?

Bob Z.




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Re: REMCO 29
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2024, 12:45:54 AM »
Upgrade to a worn-out Fox?

What material is the piston made from? A flat top?

If cast iron you could try to grow it, assuming it and the liner are actually round, but not well-fitted. Conversely, if aluminum you might try upsetting the top of the piston if flat. Good for another single run. If the piston isn't really lightened, might there be enough meat on top for a Dykes ring?

Failing all else, polish it up for a display model? Or, cut it in half and really make it a display model.

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Re: REMCO 29
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2024, 11:48:32 AM »
Sell it on eBay for an astronomical price. Include the disclaimer "I found this at a garage sale, have no knowledge of its conditon, and only assume that it's a model airplane engine!"   y1 Steve
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Re: REMCO 29
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2024, 02:51:26 PM »
Dave,

As I like to run McCoys that have little of no compression, I've heard about growing the cast iron pistons by tapping on the center of the piston  crown.  However, what do you mean by the aluminum upset process?  Heat?  Compression in a vise?  Both?  Something else?

thanks,

Peter

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Re: REMCO 29
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2024, 04:23:10 PM »

Hi, Dave - interesting reply.
Worn out Fox? I've been flying Foxes since 1956 and NEVER worn out a piston/sleeve but I have seen some worn out front bushings - those I can fix.
Piston appears to be cast iron. Definitely ferromagnetic. Flat top with a baffle.
Yep, I tried growing it - accomplished nothing.
Even if I could fit a ring, it would not work - remember, ringed engines have vertical "teeth" in the intake and exhaust ports to capture the ring.
I do have one trick up my sleeve.
I may be able to fit a Fox piston and sleeve with some clever machining.
We'll see!

Bob Z. 

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Re: REMCO 29
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2024, 07:57:37 PM »
Dave,

As I like to run McCoys that have little of no compression, I've heard about growing the cast iron pistons by tapping on the center of the piston  crown.  However, what do you mean by the aluminum upset process?  Heat?  Compression in a vise?  Both?  Something else?

thanks,

Peter

   There used to be a seller on eBay that sold parts and offered a service to rejuvenate McCoy engines with low or no compression. their method was to take the piston and sleeve, put piston in sleeve at the bottom, place on hard surface, then with a brass flat punch, tap punch with a small hammer and work your way around the edge of the piston. Doing so in the middle would likely punch through the crown. Done correctly at the edge is supposed to swell the piston at the edge with the skirt supporting it. It takes practice and developing the technique to overlap the punch strokes precisely. If done correctly, , you tap the piston out of the liner and then lap it in to a proper fit. I have always wanted to take a hopeless McCoy .35 and try this, just to see what happens, but have not had the opportunity.
   I remember reading that Aldrich could grow a piston. It takes precise heating on a hot plate like device and sometimes is a repetitive process taking multiple cycles for it to occur. The piston is heated with the crown facing the heating surface. i imagine that take a special little block to allow for the baffle on baffle pistons that will transfer the heat efficiently.
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Re: REMCO 29
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2024, 03:21:26 AM »
A few thoughts based on other's comments:

1. Sometimes you can heat a metal and promote grain growth. Think of it as the atoms getting "more organized." The net effect can be that the part grows very slightly. In an old, much heat cycled part, it may not happen. And it needs to get pretty hot. I'd have to look up numbers from a materials book to guess a temperature for each different alloy. Mehanite might be a good material guess for Fox and McCoy stunts. I never found heat growth to be a real cure, but it seemed to help things a few times for me.

2. I don't think I'd try tapping or other displacement methods on a sintered iron piston, which I believe the Mickey Reds had. I suspect they aren't too malleable. (There is such a thing as ductile iron, though....) I have done it on aluminum pistons with mixed results. By the time the piston/liner is wheezing badly, the rest of the engine is usually pretty far gone, too. So even if the P/L fit is improved, the engine still may not show much promise.

3. Sure wish it was still possible to chrome plate old liners to refit the engine. Might make the engine perform better than stock, as well.

4. Good point about hooking the ring on any larger ports. Since a Remco is kinda rare, I obviously didn't know what I was talking about there.

5. As far as not having any worn out Fox Stunt P/L's---I am in awe!  Sometime I should post the  Al Carbone Caper, the story of the Seven Chocolate Foxes....

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Re: REMCO 29
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2024, 04:14:11 AM »
Hello
On growing pistons with some heat I did this a lot when I was young and engines and parts were hard to come by in New Zealand.
Used a Oxy/ Acetylene torch and heated the piston to a dull cherry red and placed into a container of oil before it cooled too much. It worked really well on my Japanese engines like OS40H , Enya 45 model 6001 and Fuji engines and some English engines like ED's but I stuffed a few by overheating and growing them way too much or eroding too much material off the piston from multiple attempts to get the size better. It also involved lots of lapping once you got the piston bigger.
Perhaps this would work on the Remco 29 but it is risky but if you are prepared to give it a go, its not too valuable a engine.
Does remind me of the Frog 500 another apparent copy of the early K&B 29

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Re: REMCO 29
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2024, 03:40:24 PM »
I doubt you could ever turn a REMCO nto anything useful.  Even if you could fix the zero compression problem, you would still have a second-rate engine.  Any run-of-the-mill OS 40 or 46 would do better, and at a reasonable cost.
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