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Title: Raise lap times for with higher RPM
Post by: bob whitney on January 26, 2016, 11:32:24 AM


 OK have a T/L 60 powered Big Job. lap times at 4.8 to 5 sec  RPM 8,600 Prop wide blade 123/8 x 6 carbon .

the motor is at a dead 4 stroke .i would like to increase the RPM a bit so that it will run a little cleaner and keep the same lap times . what are my choices, Oh, fuel is 10%
Title: Re: Raise lap times for with higher RPM
Post by: Brett Buck on January 26, 2016, 12:14:25 PM

 OK have a T/L 60 powered Big Job. lap times at 4.8 to 5 sec  RPM 8,600 Prop wide blade 123/8 x 6 carbon .

the motor is at a dead 4 stroke .i would like to increase the RPM a bit so that it will run a little cleaner and keep the same lap times . what are my choices, Oh, fuel is 10%

    Depitch it to 5.5", then see.

    Brett
Title: Re: Raise lap times for with higher RPM
Post by: Dan McEntee on January 26, 2016, 05:18:39 PM
  You didn't mention line length. Get the engine happy then lengthen the lines if possible. I always start with lines a little long. It's easy to shorten them and they haven't invented a line stretcher yet!
  Type at you later,
  Dan McEntee
Title: Re: Raise lap times for with higher RPM
Post by: bob whitney on January 26, 2016, 08:20:39 PM


lines are 62 ft eyelet to eyelet. will de pitch to 5.5 and see what happens

would that be better than shortening the prop

it fly's great as it is, plenty of pull, just sounds like it will quit at any minate
Title: Re: Raise lap times for with higher RPM
Post by: Tim Wescott on January 26, 2016, 09:39:58 PM
5 second laps is too fast.  You want at least 5.2 seconds, or as slow as you can push it.

Note that when you slow it down not only will your trim change, but trim problems that had been masked by excessive speed (and centrifugal force) may become bothersome.  I would expect to lower the speed, then spend time dinking with the trim, then lower the speed, etc.

I think I'd try it on the longest possible lines before I started lowering the speed -- but then, I seem to have a preference for running the airplane fast and keeping the lap time up with long lines.
Title: Re: Raise lap times for with higher RPM
Post by: RandySmith on January 26, 2016, 10:32:29 PM
First thing you should do is drop the nitro to 5%, this time of year power is no issue, or should not be with a ST 60 on a BigJob, that prop is small for a ST 60, so don't cut the diameter down, most people using my 60s run a 13 inch 2 or 3 blade, That will help clean up the run
Next is to make sure you have a good..hot.. plug... A Glow Devil 300, T-Bolt RC long , and similar p;lugs  run well in the ST 60. The 60 will cycle very cleanly if setup properly
You never mentioned the Venturie or restrictor size, that is also a great trimming tool.

But just dropping the nitro, to get the same run you will need to lean the needle, that may do it without any other changes
If  not I would consider going to 63 ft lines eyelet to eyelet , You have  just a small problem, it won't take much to get it trimmed as you want
I setup over 600 of the ST 60s for people, and this all worked well for them, as the weather gets warmer  you can bump-up the  nitro...if you need it.

Randy
Title: Re: Raise lap times for with higher RPM
Post by: bob whitney on January 27, 2016, 09:48:08 AM
Randy, i like the 5 % idea, will try that first .then de pitch a prop