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Prop for LA 25 on a Carl Goldberg Shoestring Stunter
« on: June 03, 2013, 05:41:36 PM »
Any ideas on the rignt prop for an LA 25 on a 1970's vintage Carl Goldberg Shoestring Stunter? 
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Re: Prop for LA 25 on a Carl Goldberg Shoestring Stunter
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2013, 05:44:05 PM »
Any ideas on the rignt prop for an LA 25 on a 1970's vintage Carl Goldberg Shoestring Stunter? 
Rick

  9-4 or 10-4 APC.

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Re: Prop for LA 25 on a Carl Goldberg Shoestring Stunter
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2013, 05:47:09 PM »
Thanks Brett,
What launch rpm?
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Re: Prop for LA 25 on a Carl Goldberg Shoestring Stunter
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2013, 05:53:15 PM »
Thanks Brett,
What launch rpm?
Rick

   Try 13,500 to start with. A "new version" has no issue getting to maybe 14,200 or 300 with the 9-4. That will be a medium 2-stroke.

    A whole bunch of people have told me there was no difference, but on Sunday I acquired and tested one of the original early 25LAs (blue with front needle) and it would barely get to 12,000, the "new" (last few years, bare metal, rear needle) has no problem 14,000+ - tremendously more powerful.

    Brett

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Re: Prop for LA 25 on a Carl Goldberg Shoestring Stunter
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2013, 05:57:39 PM »
Thanks Brett,
Its a newish LA 25 so I'll try it tomorrow at 13,500.
Rick

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Re: Prop for LA 25 on a Carl Goldberg Shoestring Stunter
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2013, 06:57:19 PM »
  For a little better pull in manuevers, try the APC 10-4 at anywhere from 9500 to 10500, depending on your model weight, lines and such. It's been covered a lot here on the forum on several different models, and I have had them on airplanes up to 45 ounces. Not the best in the world but wil fly them. Great on the Shoestring type airplanes and on the venerable ARF Flight Streak.
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Re: Prop for LA 25 on a Carl Goldberg Shoestring Stunter
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2013, 09:46:28 PM »
  For a little better pull in manuevers, try the APC 10-4 at anywhere from 9500 to 10500, depending on your model weight, lines and such. It's been covered a lot here on the forum on several different models, and I have had them on airplanes up to 45 ounces. Not the best in the world but wil fly them. Great on the Shoestring type airplanes and on the venerable ARF Flight Streak.
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   How is it running at a mere 10500?  Mine is almost quitting rich at 10000 on a 10-4 APC. It's got to be in a dead 4-stroke, right?

     Brett

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Re: Prop for LA 25 on a Carl Goldberg Shoestring Stunter
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2013, 09:56:37 PM »
 

    A whole bunch of people have told me there was no difference, but on Sunday I acquired and tested one of the original early 25LAs (blue with front needle) and it would barely get to 12,000, the "new" (last few years, bare metal, rear needle) has no problem 14,000+ - tremendously more powerful.

    Brett


That figures since I've got about 4 of the blue ones.  ::)
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Re: Prop for LA 25 on a Carl Goldberg Shoestring Stunter
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2013, 10:09:49 PM »
I don't know how similar the Thunder Tiger Pro .25 on my Goldberg Shoestring is to your LA .25, but I just posted my trial results from this weekend in another thread. So far the Master Airscrew 9x5 launched at 11,600 RPMs is at the top of the pack.
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Re: Prop for LA 25 on a Carl Goldberg Shoestring Stunter
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2013, 12:56:58 AM »
I have an APC 9.5x4.5 on my Buster with a LA 25.The engine seams to be very happy with that prop.Trax
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Re: Prop for LA 25 on a Carl Goldberg Shoestring Stunter
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2013, 11:44:05 AM »
Must be the part of the country we live in.  I myself can barely get 10,000 out of my LA .25's.   Seem happier at 9500 with a Top Flite 10-4 or 9-5.  Of course I run 10% nitro on 22% oil half and half.
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Re: Prop for LA 25 on a Carl Goldberg Shoestring Stunter
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2013, 12:30:34 PM »
10/22 is what most of us run here on the left coast as well. Humidity maybe? I like the 10x3 APC on LA/FP25's, 9x4 BB setup on FP-20's.  8)
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Re: Prop for LA 25 on a Carl Goldberg Shoestring Stunter
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2013, 01:29:54 PM »
Must be the part of the country we live in.  I myself can barely get 10,000 out of my LA .25's.   Seem happier at 9500 with a Top Flite 10-4 or 9-5.  Of course I run 10% nitro on 22% oil half and half.

   You must have one of the old ones. My new one hit 14000 straight out of the box on the first run.

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Re: Prop for LA 25 on a Carl Goldberg Shoestring Stunter
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2013, 02:26:21 PM »
Here's a tip that the experts forget to tell the new folks asking for this type of advice:

The setting on the ground with a tach will vary a  significant amount due to the type of tank you're running, where it's mounted, venturi size, altitude density. etc.
If you're running a center mounted tank (full fuse), a conventional metal tank mounted outboard side,  a narrow clunk tank, or a clunk tank on the inboard side; the ground setting can vary a huge amount to achieve the same in-flight setting. It will also vary with muffler pressure, uniflo, or old school stunt venting.

So......on the first flight I recommend: with the prop you've selected, set the needle on the ground in a fast 4 cycle and fly the airplane. pay close attention to what it does in the air I.E. stays rich, leans out a little, leans out alot, etc. On susequent flights, adjust the needle (in small increments) to achieve the type of run you are looking for I.E. 4-2-4, all 4, wet 2, etc. When you get to that point, fly it again, don't touch the needle, and this time get a tach reading on the ground and record it. Now you have a useful number for that prop, fuel, airplane , engine combo. If you change the prop or the fuel or travel to a flying site at a significantly different altitude, you will need to go through the process again to determine the optimum ground RPM
There are just too many variables to count on using someone else's tach reading as a starting point for your set-up. As you can see from Brett's experience above with seemingly identicle set-ups, one engine reads vastly different than the other. Trying to get to the higher RPM figure with the slower engine would result in a very lean run. Starting out rich on the ground at first may waste a flight flying level but it won't damage your engine H^^
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Re: Prop for LA 25 on a Carl Goldberg Shoestring Stunter
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2013, 02:34:52 PM »
   How is it running at a mere 10500?  Mine is almost quitting rich at 10000 on a 10-4 APC. It's got to be in a dead 4-stroke, right?

     Brett
      I'm not sure of the exact vintage of the engine, but it is an older one. I get about the same RPM on an FP.25 also, running muffler pressure, Glow Devile R/C long, SIG Champion 10% or 15% nitro fuel, and the APC 10-4. On my ARF Flite STreak, it's in almost what some would call a wet 2 stroke,  kinda right on the boarder line. Oddly enough also, I've never been able to get what I call acceptable performance out of a APC 9-4 on the same airplane. We aren't that high here, between 450 and 500 Ft above sea level. One wouldn't think that the altitude is that different. The set up is prett dead reliable and veryu repeatable though. Been geting the same results on several airplanes with it. I'll have too acquire one of the new ones and see if I get the same result as you.
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Re: Prop for LA 25 on a Carl Goldberg Shoestring Stunter
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2013, 09:56:33 PM »
   Try 13,500 to start with. A "new version" has no issue getting to maybe 14,200 or 300 with the 9-4. That will be a medium 2-stroke.

    A whole bunch of people have told me there was no difference, but on Sunday I acquired and tested one of the original early 25LAs (blue with front needle) and it would barely get to 12,000, the "new" (last few years, bare metal, rear needle) has no problem 14,000+ - tremendously more powerful.

    Brett

   Been thinking about this, and almost without having to check, the spray bar on a rear needle set up is smaller in diameter than a front needle valve set up spray bar. No needle threads to have to account for. The venturi might be the same diameter, I would have to check. I fell victim to this senario on a .40 FP for my kid once. Went from a front needle valve to a rear set up, and suddenly couldn't get the pattern in on the same amount of fuel, and needle setting was different. Finally figgered it out and resorted to the old stick in the venturi trick to get through the contest. Measured the spray bar afterward and the rear needle version was significantly  smaller, thus opening up the venturi. I may have both at home to measure and check.
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Re: Prop for LA 25 on a Carl Goldberg Shoestring Stunter
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2013, 08:47:07 AM »
   You must have one of the old ones. My new one hit 14000 straight out of the box on the first run.

    Brett
 
Brett,

On some of the LA's OS eliminated the boost port, apparently for cost reasons, and shipped them with two transfer ports. Not sure if this applies to the .25 (I don't have one), but did they add the boost port back in for the newer ones? Sounds like they may be running more like the FP did.

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Re: Prop for LA 25 on a Carl Goldberg Shoestring Stunter
« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2013, 11:58:06 AM »
I ordered some 9x4, 9.5x4.5 and 10x4 APC props, which I received yesterday (well, not the 9x4's, they sent 8x4's instead).  I flew the Shoestring with the 10x4 on the LA 25 with the stock muffler today.  Launch rpm was 10,000 rpm and lap times were 5.4 sec.  The plane loves this combination!  Tons of power and no bad habits.  I'll try the 9.5x4.5 tomorrow and the 9x4's when I get them. 
Thanks for all the advice and suggestions.
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