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Offline Gary Anderson

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Pipe Length??
« on: March 26, 2011, 09:06:13 PM »
Hi guys,
I was wondering what happens when the pipe is to long??? Will the engine run, will ya be able to set a good needle setting, will the power drop off, will the engine act like there isn't a piped???? Also what happens when the pipe is to short?? Will the engine act like a 4-2-4 set up, act like a normal muffler set up, will the engine perform?? I know a lot of these questions seem to be dumb to many but to some they only wonder. I guess I could make the pipe to short or to long and find the answers but was hoping some would let the rest of us know what happens when the pipe is to short or to long. I had one R/C guy tell me I was going at it the wrong way when I made the pipe 16.5" as suggested by Mr. Frank William, this is the metal pipe set up. Then another told me to make the carbon pipe 18.75". The R/C guy told me that I was all wrong I wasn't going to get the power out of the pipe. I told him that I wasn't after the power, I was just trying to control it. Of coarse he just laughed at me, yes I laughed with him, cause he was the joke, not me. But just wondering what if, what if?? Gary
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Re: Pipe Length??
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2011, 10:06:22 PM »

I was wondering what happens when the pipe is to long??? Will the engine run, will ya be able to set a good needle setting, will the power drop off, will the engine act like there isn't a piped???? Also what happens when the pipe is to short?? Will the engine act like a 4-2-4 set up, act like a normal muffler set up, will the engine perform??

  If it's too long, you will have to set it too lean to get the right level flight speed, and it will either fail to pick up in the maneuvers, or, in the worst case, it will sag in the maneuvers. If it's too short, you will have to set it too rich in level flight, and it will tend to over-react in the maneuvers, that is, pick up too much power. Of course, you can play the prop pitch against the pipe length, and you can "cure" too long with more pitch (allowing you to back off the RPM making the pipe length more appropriate) or too short with less pitch. Of course, the venturi, nitro,  and diameter also play into it - which is why I *urge* everyone starting out with piped engines to start with a known-good setup and in particular, treat the pipe like it was welded in place a the standard length setting. That will cut down on the variables.

     Brett

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Re: Pipe Length??
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2011, 12:11:20 AM »
Thank you Brett, this is why I use the size venturie, pipe length, type fuel and prop that is recommended by you, Randy and others that run this type of set up. I have notice that there is many many items that goes into making the engine run correctly. A small air leak can change the whole set up. Pipe set up is a great way to go but ya got to be sure that everything is correct and to be sure ya talking with the people that run pipes the way you want to fly. The R/C person I speak of runs pipe on speed boats and I believe that's completely different, cause the way he told me to set up the pipe is way off from what I've been told here. I really appreciate the help that is on this forum. Without this help I would be lost and probably not having any fun.

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Re: Pipe Length??
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2011, 08:51:47 AM »
The R/C person I speak of runs pipe on speed boats and I believe that's completely different, cause the way he told me to set up the pipe is way off from what I've been told here.


   The correct pipe length is  function of two things (that you have any control of) - the exhaust duration and the operating RPM. I am sure the boat guy is running far more RPM and the exhaust duration is not proportionally longer to compensate. And, he has no idea that your pipe also has multiple internal baffles. The multiple baffles create multiple reflections of the sound wave so there are probably 3 different potentially workable pipe lengths for any particular RPM.

    For the 45FSR system you are trying to run about 11,000-11,500 in the air. That definitely does decrease the power available, since even on open exhaust, you could probably get maximum HP around 15-16,000 and probably 4-5x the power. Heck, some 15s out out over 3 hp, you are getting, and need,  about .3 HP in the air. You don't want to try for 16,000 in the air, because you don't have any props that will make that work (or in other words, you have no way of dumping the grossly excess HP you would have).

     Brett


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