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Offline Peter in Fairfax, VA

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Fox .35 Bent Rod
« on: February 19, 2019, 01:38:56 PM »
I'm considering using a Fox .35 I recently acquired.  This particular Fox feels good, except for one thing.

It has a bind near BDC.  A local engine expert feels it could be a bent rod.

Why would a bent rod exhibit this symptom?

thanks,

Peter

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Re: Fox .35 Bent Rod
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2019, 03:18:40 PM »
Pull the back plate and free the rod on the wrist pin. When they are stuck they exhibit that same thing.
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Re: Fox .35 Bent Rod
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2019, 05:04:31 PM »
Jim,

Good call.  You were exactly right.  The rod does not move freely on the wrist pin.

First I pulled the backplate, and could see that the rod was stuck.  However, I did not know how to free it without further disassembly.  This engine has a lot of sticky castor gunk everywhere.

The head and liner came off easily enough.  The rod did come off with the engine warn and the crank in the 7 o'clock position, pried off with an allen wrench between the rod and crank.

However, how do I deal with the circlips?  I don't want to press too hard on them.  I'll try to find small enough needle nose pliers.

thanks again,

Peter

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Re: Fox .35 Bent Rod
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2019, 05:29:55 PM »
  You need to learn about the crock pot method! Just get an old small crock pot, put some straight antifreeze in it (newer stuff OK for aluminum) and put the whole engine in there over night at low setting. It will come out looking like new. Wash off the antifreeze with some hot water, then oil everything and reassemble. I've done it to Fox and McCoy engines and never took them apart, just flushed with old fuel when finished. This process will eat the paint off painted engines. If you have it this far apart and repetitively clean, just lube the heck out of the wrist pin and heat it with a monokote gun to loosen up old castor residue. ATF is good for this also, as it has detergents in it.
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Re: Fox .35 Bent Rod
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2019, 05:41:45 PM »
Invert the piston, fill it with acetone then push/pull on the rod as close to the wristpin as you can get. As soon as there's the slightest bit of movement along the wristpin it'll draw the acetone in and very shortly it'll be quite free. Same thing can be done by only removing the backplate and using an allen key pull near the top of the rod then pushing back with a finger.

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Re: Fox .35 Bent Rod
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2019, 06:19:29 PM »

However, how do I deal with the circlips?  I don't want to press too hard on them.  I'll try to find small enough needle nose pliers.


     I use a surgical hemostat to reduce the chance of it going "sproing" into the carpet or the grass.

     Most of the suggestions on liquids to loosen up the rod are pretty good, but by far the quickest-acting is automotive brake cleaner, that stuff gets into the tiniest gaps almost immediately. But, it works so well that you must then *disassemble* the parts completely and coat them with oil because otherwise it will likely be completely bare metal.


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Offline Peter in Fairfax, VA

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Re: Fox .35 Bent Rod
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2019, 06:26:12 PM »
Lost one of the circlips.  Now I need to find someone who can sell me replacements. 

Took apart an early .29 as a potental donor, found they didn't yet use circlips.

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Re: Fox .35 Bent Rod
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2019, 07:30:04 PM »
Peter - I may have some circlips.
Let me know and I will try and find them.
For what it's worth, I have run Foxes without the clips.
I just did a mirror polish on the ends of the wrist pin and never saw any damage to the sleeve.

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Re: Fox .35 Bent Rod
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2019, 10:57:12 AM »
CirClip  removal..  Get a  large  baggie, put the piston in the  baggie, remove the ciclips with the piston in the  Baggie.
You will not loose the clips doing this in a baggie
To install the CirClips, put the piston in a baggie, Install clips, if they spring out, you will not loose them when doing this in a  baggie

It works

Randy

Offline Peter in Fairfax, VA

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Re: Fox .35 Bent Rod
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2019, 09:49:42 PM »
It's finally back together, thanks to the tips here, the circlips from Bob Z., and some patience.

Two things were wrong:

1. The wrist pin was stuck on the rod.  The crock pot / antifreeze method worked.

2. The rod was bent. 

The bent rod symptom was that the cleaned, assembled engine was tighter from BDC on the way to TDC on one side vs. the other.  Assembled, the prop would return when bounced against compression in one direction, but not the other.  On the side that was binding, the rod would not move back and forth with the backplate removed.  On the other side, the rod would move.

Testing the rod by installing a 5/32 drill bit in the rod's small end with the big end installed on the loose, uninstalled crankshaft showed the bend, which was easy to remove by bending the rod.

Though the piston/sleeve feels a little tight near TDC, even when loose and uninstalled, I'm confident enough in this engine to try running it when the weather breaks.

Thanks again for the help and parts,

Peter


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