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Offline Gary Anderson

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OS Max 46 VF and also the famous 40 VF
« on: June 16, 2011, 11:33:11 PM »
Hi guys,
I have a few questions that I'm sure is in the forum, some where?? I believe Randy has said that the 46 is a better more powerful engine than the 40, please correct me if I'm wrong. Also I believe Randy has said that both engine run about the same set up??
1. Is the 46 the same case as the 40???
2. Does the 46 weigh less than the 40???
3. Does the 46 use the same venturie as the 40???
4. Has anyone tried the 46 on the Max's pipe system???
5. How much fuel does the 46 use????
6. ETC, ETC????
7. Another question, why does Mr. Brett use the 40 rather than the 46???
I appreciate any input.

Thank You
Gary
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Re: OS Max 46 VF and also the famous 40 VF
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2011, 01:57:35 PM »
why does Mr. Brett use the 40 rather than the 46???


   Quick answer - "did" not "does". At the time I tried the 46 (maybe the first person to fly it in a stunt plane, testing for Ted) there was no apparent need for the (significant) additional power, and running a 46 made me have to use .018 lines instead of .015s. That was a LONG time ago (late 88, as I recall) and given what I know now, I am pretty sure I could make good use of a 46 with some effort. But I don't have one, don't particularly need one, and I have what amounts to a gigantic 46VF anyway, in the form of the RO-Jett 61BSE (Brett version).

     A lot of people ran the 46VF and it is an *excellent* stunt engine. If I couldn't get Jett 61s anymore I would probably use a 46VF. I wouldn't use it on a 70+ oz airplane but it would fly it.  I don't have bulletproof setup numbers for it but I am pretty sure I could make it work.

    I expect there will be a lot of current stunt engines available at bargain prices starting around the middle of July.

     Brett

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Re: OS Max 46 VF and also the famous 40 VF
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2011, 02:20:56 PM »
See attached parts list for the 40 and the 40VF, the case is different from what the parts list suggest. If you can not open a word doc I can convert it to PDF.
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Re: OS Max 46 VF and also the famous 40 VF
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2011, 02:52:45 PM »
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    I expect there will be a lot of current stunt engines available at bargain prices starting around the middle of July.

     Brett

I gather you are expecting many to ditch IC and favor electric? If thats the case, knowing this crowd, not too likely. For that to happen some prerequisits have to be met.

1. A fairly new PC with late Revision drivers, USB or Serial ports, and an OS later than Windows 98. Own a Mac and you are pretty much SOL.
2. The PC should be a notebook computer so you don't have to drag the plane / controller to the desk top, so you can see the monitor.
3. A good understanding on how to install and configure software on the PC, and to fix the PC should you screw something up (Many computer applications do not like to play well with others)
4. Wiindows 7 and most late model PC's no longer support Com ports or drivers and older API. Many .NET apps are not forward compatible and will ne recognize the latest .NET framework updates. Pretty much have to stick with XP but you can no longer get XP on new PC's.

This, even before you start with the stuff you need and need to know for the airplane part.
IC is a analog hands on technology that most on here have learned over decades. Electric is the digital PC software realm, not much in the hands on dept, your machine shop skills will not avail you there.

But it certainly opens up a cottage industry for people to program and test subsystems for electrics and deliver them plug and play. I wonder how much they will charge for online support?
Would have to set up VNC to the users PC so tweaks could be made remotely.

Or is something else happening in mid July to make everyone want to unload thier IC stunt motors?
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Re: OS Max 46 VF and also the famous 40 VF
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2011, 03:43:32 PM »
Hi guys,
I have a few questions that I'm sure is in the forum, some where?? I believe Randy has said that the 46 is a better more powerful engine than the 40, please correct me if I'm wrong. Also I believe Randy has said that both engine run about the same set up??
1. Is the 46 the same case as the 40???
2. Does the 46 weigh less than the 40???
3. Does the 46 use the same venturie as the 40???
4. Has anyone tried the 46 on the Max's pipe system???
5. How much fuel does the 46 use????
6. ETC, ETC????
7. Another question, why does Mr. Brett use the 40 rather than the 46???
I appreciate any input.

Thank You
Gary


Hi Gary

The case is the same on both motors except the mid case has either 40 or 46 molded into it, but all the parts will fit
The front and back housing is identical
The difference is in the Crank , piston sleeve and head.
The 46 is lighter than the 40
The 46 has way more power and has more needle range and prop range , especially when it gets hot, This was one of the first motors I setup back in the 80s
We ran 12, 12.5 and 13 inch 2 blades and  12 x 4.25 3 blades on them
I also setup tons of them with real AAC  chrome sleeves
The pipes typically will run longer just because you will normally use lower RPMs

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Re: OS Max 46 VF and also the famous 40 VF
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2011, 03:47:23 PM »
But it certainly opens up a cottage industry for people to program and test subsystems for electrics and deliver them plug and play. I wonder how much they will charge for online support?
Would have to set up VNC to the users PC so tweaks could be made remotely.

Or is something else happening in mid July to make everyone want to unload thier IC stunt motors?

  When Paul (mostly likely) wins by a mile. I think if we can manage to adjust a 4-2 break motor to competitive levels we can probably figure out how to hook up some wires.

    Brett

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Re: OS Max 46 VF and also the famous 40 VF
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2011, 11:22:54 PM »
If Paul wins, it will not be the motor doing the winning, and it won't be why he wins, If Paul is dedicated he can beat most people with an Oil Soaked Nobler and a FOX 35.

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Re: OS Max 46 VF and also the famous 40 VF
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2011, 02:50:34 PM »
>> If Paul is dedicated he can beat most people with an Oil Soaked Nobler and a FOX 35.<<

This much is certain.
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Re: OS Max 46 VF and also the famous 40 VF
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2011, 05:24:29 PM »
Hi guys,
Thank you for all the information on this engine. My RoJett 61 Brett Version has thirty minutes bench time on her, so I have another hour to go and she will be ready for a test flight. The test plane is the SV-11 ARF and I think this will be a great combo. Now that I have a OS Max 46 VF heading my way I'll have  another test engine for the SV-11. The Brett Version 61 really seems to be a sweet engine, starts easy, nice run and seems to have plenty of power also she is very pretty. I believe Brett uses both his RoJett and 40VF in the same plane so I would think I could do the same. I wonder if I could use the same carbon pipe for each engine?? I believe I can use the same prop?? I believe you guys are correct, Paul would win swinging a stick on a string so I guess the rest of the world will be swinging sticks, I'll stick to my little pipe engines or my ST 46 or electric, come on guys it doesn't matter what ya fly, its all fun. The important part is that what ever ya flying that it works correctly????
Thanks Again (Hey guys isn't it neat, even the famous guys answer my questions????)
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Re: OS Max 46 VF and also the famous 40 VF
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2011, 10:39:31 PM »
I have found the RO-Jett to take a bigger prop and maybe a bigger pipe.  Randy probably has a pipe that works with both.  The needle valve is in a different position, so you'll need two holes in the plane.  I found the RO-Jett to be a tad shorter than the VF, so I had to shim the spinner out a little.  Peculiarly, my RO-Jett crankshaft centerline was a little higher in the airplane than the VF's.  I think the solution was to put a bit more shim under the mounts.  This may not be true of all of them.  All RO-Jetts of a given size don't have the same dimensions.
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Re: OS Max 46 VF and also the famous 40 VF
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2011, 12:06:48 AM »
Hi Howard,
Thanks for your input. I wouldn't be surprised if Brett uses a different set up for each engine. You brought up a interesting question for me??
          HOW FAR CAN YA BE OFF OF THE THRUST LINE AND STILL BE OKAY?????
I thought about using a side exhaust engine and turning the engine on a degree till the exhaust head down inside the fuse. I know you can do this easy bye using a R/C Mount. I wanted to just leave the motor mounts and install a bulk head to receive a R/C type mount. This would make the thrush line different??? This might change everything??? or maybe not??? if the engine is in line would this change everything??? Would this create a big mess??? Interesting, interesting???? (Another Famous Person Answered my Queston, WOW)
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Re: OS Max 46 VF and also the famous 40 VF
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2011, 12:13:12 AM »
I don't know, but Randy Powell does stuff like that and makes it work. 
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Re: OS Max 46 VF and also the famous 40 VF
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2011, 11:13:27 PM »
Hi guys,
I received my little old OS Max 46 VF in the mail today. Set her up on the test stand and away she went. I set her to run at a very wet two cycle and when I turned the nose up, she gained R's. When I set the nose level she just went back to a nice wet two cycle. I bought her off of evil-bay for eighty bucks, she came with the Mac's Pipe System complete and she runs great on this system. I've removed the RoJett from the SV-11 and placed the 46 in the plane. I believe the 46 is about 1/16" longer than the Ro Jett 61. So now I have a back up engine for the SV-11. I'm not going to install a C/L needle and venturie, the R/C set up works great??? When I installed the engine the carb arm locked against the front nose block??? I need the nose weight??
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Re: OS Max 46 VF and also the famous 40 VF
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2011, 05:35:43 PM »
Hi guys,
Yes the OS 46 VF fits the plane just great. I believe the 46 is about a 1/16" longer, so its close enough. I using the same carbon pipe that I'm using for the RoJett 61 (Brett Version).  I've only run the 46 three times in the plane, checked and cleaned the fuel filter and everything seems to be ready. Randy is correct the 46 has a lot more needle setting to play with. I have a bigger RPM range with the 46 than my 40. I'm using a APC 12/4 prop and the engine seems to really like that prop. The 46 has a lot more power than the 40. Thursday or Friday I'll have to get enough nerve to place her in the air. I'm using the R/C Carb locked open and it seems to work great. I would rather be flying my RoJett 61 (Brett Version) but I figure I'll try the plane out with the great OS 46 VF and if everything goes okay, Mr. RoJett will take it place in her. Both engines are sweethearts, I just love the sound of the RoJett.
Gary
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Re: OS Max 46 VF and also the famous 40 VF
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2011, 12:18:30 AM »
Hi guys,
Couldn't help myself, had to install a venturie and needle valve assembly. Now the engine wants to run 13,000 RPM'S and pulls like a big dog. I tried to needle her down but all she did has cough and fart and wanted to run the high R's. I extended the pipe bye three inches and the sweet heart settled down to running 9,500 R's and I had needle room. Mr. Powell said his 46 used a lot of fuel, with the mac's pipe system I'm using a little over six ounces for pattern run time. The 46 is a very powerful engine and really likes to kick butt. My Legacy is just about done and I've installed a tigre 51 and I'm looking at the 46 VF. The tigre is a rework bye Mr. Frank and does a great job, I really like the sound of the pipe engines. My Ro Jett 61 Brett version is doing a great job in the SV-11. I'm using a three blade 12x4.25. launching at 10,450, lap time is 5.5 and you wouldn't believe it, that engine is so strong it just pulls the plane thru all of the maneuvers without breaking a sweat. The engine just comes on when needed and shuts down at the right time.
Gary
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