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Offline DanielGelinas

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Starting the FOX .35 stunt
« on: May 31, 2011, 08:16:09 AM »
Or any other flooded engine...

Seems like the only way to start the fox is choke it LOTS. Then its flooded. Then it starts.
Wondering, when its flooded and the prop will not turn, is it a BAD thing to force it to turn? Would that be a bad thing for the crank and connecting rod on the fox? :X

How do you deal with this situation?  ???

My new chicken stick is REALLY taking a beating from the sharp prop. ~^

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-Danny  H^^

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Re: Starting the FOX .35 stunt
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2011, 08:52:25 AM »
Yes it is a bad thing to force it to turn - for any engine.

Personally I turn the airplane/engine with exhaust and venturi pointing downwards until the fuel runs out.

It is common practice to replace the fox needle valve assembly with a super tigre-like assembly.

This weekend I tried to start a fox 35 with the factory needle assembly. It was no-go until I stuck in a ST-51 needle and spray bar.

-Chris

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Re: Starting the FOX .35 stunt
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2011, 12:11:08 PM »
Thanks,

This is the 60th anniversary fox .35 stunt.

I did just that...changed to an st needle valve. Haven't tried starting it since. I'll let you all know how it goes.
I hear the PA needle valve is a excellent replacement for the fox also. I have ordered a couple, so I'll see how that goes also.

-Danny H^^

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Re: Starting the FOX .35 stunt
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2011, 01:00:06 PM »
Thanks,

This is the 60th anniversary fox .35 stunt.

I did just that...changed to an st needle valve. Haven't tried starting it since. I'll let you all know how it goes.
I hear the PA needle valve is a excellent replacement for the fox also. I have ordered a couple, so I'll see how that goes also.

-Danny H^^

Hi Danny,

The PA NVA will be a bit better than the ST because it is turned down to the stock Fox size and the locking collett has an insert to seal from leaks.  This also means that finger tight will keep the needle setting instead of having to use a wrench or pliers like on the ST needles.

Foxes can be cantankerous when inverted!  Never force the engine over when it is hydro locked (flooded).  A bent con rod is usually the result.  Over chocking the engine is the most common fault in the hard starting.  Less prime and a hot plug/battery is a good start.  I always turned my inverted engines over to crank but you have to be careful once the engine is started and you are turning it back over.

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Re: Starting the FOX .35 stunt
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2011, 02:46:13 PM »
Yes I agree the PA nva is a better solution than the ST. I used it because I happened to have it in my tool box yesterday.

I usually have to turn my airplanes over to start them if the engine is mounted inverted. I tend to over-prime though.

But if flooded / hydro-locked then I put the engine upside down and wiggle the prop to drain out the fuel. Also point the exhaust port downwards and wiggle prop.
Sometimes the excess fuel wants to go through the bypass then out the exhaust.

By wiggle I mean rotate crankshaft clockwise and counterclockwise gently no forcing.

-Chris

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Re: Starting the FOX .35 stunt
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2011, 02:54:54 PM »
hi Chris,

Several years ago I found out that starting my Fox .35 in my Argus was real easy setting on the ground and hitting it with the electric starter.  No prime, nothing, just hook up the battery and hit the spinner with the starter.  it took a very short amount of turning to get it started. 

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Re: Starting the FOX .35 stunt
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2011, 01:33:00 PM »
With an inverted Fox 35, with ST NVA, choke it four times, attach the battery, give the hand signal, flip, disconnect the battery, and go out to the handle.  With an upright Fox, I have been giving a head prime with the piston up.  Sometimes fuel runs into the venturi when I fill the tank.  If not, I choke once, then flip.  Last time I few in the cool early morning at Tuscon, I overprimed the engine. It started backwards three times before it went off forwards.  HB~>

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Re: Starting the FOX .35 stunt
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2011, 01:45:03 PM »
What I do on inverted Foxes is choke with my finger and pull up on compression to tdc. Then remove my finger to suck the charge into the engine. Do this maybe twice to three times and it should be ready to start. If done right inverted Foxes will start easier than upright.
Jim Kraft


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