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Offline scott matthews

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os max 40 fp-s set up
« on: August 31, 2010, 08:21:29 PM »
I am looking for advise on my max 40 engine and hoping some one can help.I have this motor mounted on a profile ringmaster and it is running pressurized with a muffler.When i fly this plane it is running real fast but does not sound like it breaks into a 2 stroke cycle when doing maneuvers.the current set up is a 10x6 prop,large venturi,and 2 gaskets under the head (from the factory).Should I try a different size prop or take out 1 of the head gaskets to get it to cycle Thur a 4-2 engine run. Any help is greatly appreciated thanks.

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Re: os max 40 fp-s set up
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2010, 08:44:03 PM »
Scott,

That engine is way too powerful for a Ringmaster and I believe you're not the only one out there trying to tame a .35 FP.
I suggest you swap it out for an OS .25 LA or a Fox .35. I believe the .25 LA is the preferred engine for the RM.
You may also wish to checkout this website; they know a lot about RMs.

http://www.brotherhoodofthering.info/flightline/logon.asp


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Re: os max 40 fp-s set up
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2010, 10:53:14 PM »

I suggest you try the Philly FP setup before giving up the FP. The RingMaster will fly just dandy with the CG right up to the LE.

Using a lighter engine will allow you to make better corners and if that is important to you then consider replacing the engine for a lighter one. If that is not the case  I think youŽll have a blast with this combo you have there.

RSM has a very light tonge muffler for the 40 FP that would help reduce the weight.

OS 40FP e 35FP Philly Setup:

Venturi .283”
free flow exhaust
extra head gasket or two
powermaster 5%,22% (50/50)
10.5x4.5 APC prop.
Muffler pressure in the overflow, plug uniflow if you have it.
Enya #3 plug

Set it in a 2cycle. Should sound fat and happy and somewhat loud. If engine runs away and fuel consumption is low. Open up the exhaust more and perhaps venturi Will also need opening to compensate for the thickness of the ST needlevalve.

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It will be very loud though.

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Re: os max 40 fp-s set up
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2010, 03:57:16 AM »
Thanks for the advise martin , but I still have a few questions (newbie). Does a tongue muffler run pressurized ,what is powermaster, free flow exhaust. My two venturies that came with this engine are .265 Id and .300 Id which one should be used ? I did find the muffler at RMS and $20.00 is a very cheap investment.I'm assuming adding an extra head gasket will slow down this plane ? Also this engine has only been ran 6x , I got these as a gift 20yrs ago and had to raise kids instead of having a hobbie. Thanks for your help , Scott

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Re: os max 40 fp-s set up
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2010, 04:29:43 AM »
Scott, A tongue muffler can be set up to run pressure you just need the fitting put on it. Powermaster is a brand name fuel like Sig or Cool Power, I believe Horizon Hobbies sells it now. Go with the smaller venturi to slow it down.
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Re: os max 40 fp-s set up
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2010, 04:16:53 PM »
Thanks guys for all the great advise. The one think I forgot to mention is that this is the hardest engine I've ever tried to start when you get to the field your flipping your arm of to start.Typical start sequence is fill tank,close needle valve then back out 3 turns , prime venturi with finger over vent then, attach battery and flip for 10 minutes.Tries to start multiple times for a few revolutions then eventally catches.Running 15% nitro (hobbie store advise) and a os max #8 glow plug. My objective is to slow the speed of the plane down a little but ultimately trying to get the holy grail of 4-2-4 cycling that does not seem to happen like it did years ago with my super tigre 35"s that i inherited from my father.I know this engine is a Little big for a ringmaster profile but I have 2 of them that both have less than 6 runs on them.I forgot the prop size is 10-6 (hobbie store advise).Thanks again for all the advise I'm really enjoying this site its taking me back to my youth. Scott

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Re: os max 40 fp-s set up
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2010, 05:51:20 PM »
Scott,

the Philly setup will not run 4-2-4, it runs a wet 2-2-2  generating a lot of torque which will keep your plane going up and down at the same speed, better then 4-2-4 in my opinion.

If you want to run this engine in 4-2-4 the approach is quite different. A local guy here has one and it works very well in 4-2-4. I never saw him having run way problems even in days with good temperature change.  He decompress the engine quite a bit, uses a small venturi, stock muffler restricted with a deflector and a 11x6 prop. The nice thing about his setup is the sound, sounds and run just  like an ST 60. However it is gutless, any breeze and he doesn't fly his RD-1. If you want I will have him write to you and tell what he does to his 40FPs

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Re: os max 40 fp-s set up
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2010, 06:20:32 PM »
Scott,
A newcomer to stunt trying to tame an FP40 (especially with a 4-2 break) is a bit like a newcomer to mountain climbing choosing Mt. Everest or Annapurna as his learning hill.  When this engine was first introduced back in the day, it spawned a whole industry of guys trying to make it run like the older OS's and Foxes.  As Martin pointed out, many who succeed do so by turning it into a gutless wonder, with about the same power as a .25, only heavier.  Only very experienced engine guys are able to do better.  

4-2 engines tend to be born rather than made for the most part:  Brodak .40, Fox .35.  Also 4-2 is no longer considered the ideal stunt run by many fliers, and nostalgia value is its biggest plus.  It is easier and more reliable with modern engines to get a steady fast 4-stroke or moderate 2-stroke run, usually with a 4" pitch prop.  

OS LA engines are some of the friendliest and most readily available engines to start with:  the .25 as mentioned already for Ringmaster size planes, and the .46 for larger planes.  You would probably be better off selling the FPs and getting an LA, or you might want to hold onto the FPs since you received them as gifts.

Also, where do you live?  Maybe there are experienced stunt guys in your neck of the woods who can help out and also make flying more fun.  Hope this helps.  
Kim Mortimore
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Re: os max 40 fp-s set up
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2010, 06:24:49 PM »
        Dennis from the Philly Fliers runs the Fp.40 exclusively. In fact I can't recall him running anything different other than the Tower.40 which is virtually the same. I would follow the instructions as Martin stated above. We've found that the engine runs happiest when its running fast. This is where the APC 10.5x4.5 comes into play. That prop allows the engine to run fast but without the plane going fast as your 10x6 is doing. The tongue muffler allows it to breathe easier and the LARGE venturi keeps up the fuel supply which in turn cools things down. When the engines are cowled in a full bodied plane thats when you really need adequate cooling (air passages) to keep the engine from heating up and running away. I would add an additional head gasket or 2 which will also tone things down a bit. Dennis was flying his Galaxy with a FP.40 on it until I noticed he just switched to the Tower.40. I think this was mainly just to see how it ran. He does the same mods to the Tower engines as the FP's. The plane was running very reliably last weekend providing a good stunt run. The only thing I would question is the weight of the FP on the Ringmaster. The Ringmaster if built from a Sterling kit typically builds nose heavy to begin with.  I see mainly Fox.35's on most of the Ringmaster's I see flying. You now have a engine thats almost 3 oz's heavier than the Fox. This weight could even be more if your using the stock muffler. I'm sure Dennis will chime in when he comes across this post. Ken

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Re: os max 40 fp-s set up
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2010, 06:50:27 PM »
Ok,it seems that the first think I need to do is change props to a 10.5x4.5 but I do not know what a apc prop is ? I do have the extra head gaskets so I will try adding one first then maybe two later.I am running a factory muffler (pressurized) , but I feel everybody is on the same page of buying a tongue muffler from brodak or rms to reduce overall weight.I hope the fuel nitro is right because I plan on going to the hobbie shop tommorrow to get a couple of different props. Maybe I should restate my goal and that is to have a engine that will pull stunts with out loosing its pulling or maybe I'm just to nervous to attempt too many stunts.This inquiry i know is probably too annoying but I am asking know because I'm rounding third on covering a 59 ares that I have worked on since February that will use my other os max 40 fp-s. Thanks every again Scott

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Re: os max 40 fp-s set up
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2010, 08:16:27 PM »
Scott,

I suggest you get the prop and all the material you may need from dedicated C/L vendors  like Aeroproducts, Brodak, RSM....

A local shop with no expertese in C/L will most likely give you wrong advice. Before buying or doing anything look for help here.

The RSM tongue muffler is the lightest one, half the weight of the others. You need fit a pressure niple and drill another row of holes that is all.

The total number of head gaskets is one or two, in some rare cases 3. RSM also sell the gaskets in case you need new ones.

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Re: os max 40 fp-s set up
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2010, 08:37:28 PM »
Ok,it seems that the first think I need to do is change props to a 10.5x4.5 but I do not know what a apc prop is ? I do have the extra head gaskets so I will try adding one first then maybe two later.I am running a factory muffler (pressurized) , but I feel everybody is on the same page of buying a tongue muffler from brodak or rms to reduce overall weight.I hope the fuel nitro is right because I plan on going to the hobbie shop tommorrow to get a couple of different props. Maybe I should restate my goal and that is to have a engine that will pull stunts with out loosing its pulling or maybe I'm just to nervous to attempt too many stunts.This inquiry i know is probably too annoying but I am asking know because I'm rounding third on covering a 59 ares that I have worked on since February that will use my other os max 40 fp-s. Thanks every again Scott

it is a pleasure to help, this is what this Forum is all about.

The fuel can depend where you live and how hot or cold it is. Look for a fuel that has  5%~10% Nitro and 22% oil, which should be a blend of Castor Oil and Synthetic. Or you can get a lower oil content fuel and add castor oil to get the oil percentage right.

Martin
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