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Offline Chris Fretz

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Re: OS 25 FP performance against OS 25 LA
« Reply #50 on: April 24, 2018, 03:42:58 AM »
I have seen a few 25fp's at swap meets but I've yet to have seen a 20fp.
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Re: OS 25 FP performance against OS 25 LA
« Reply #51 on: April 25, 2018, 08:07:43 PM »
Getting all inspired buy this thread , and seeing the previous post

will relate the FP Crank Saga . Theyre All Rusty , in the case of most second had motors from the U.S. !

Las t Night checked & stripped two ' as new ' LA 25s  . Boiled in baking soda solution , then used the green 3M post scourer ,
a screwdriver to turn it inside the port , 320 wet & dry to ' brush up ' the flanks ,
and  600 to polish the crank pin & shaft .

They were only lightly grotty , but enough to reduce life expectancy . Theyre the two bush El Cheapo crank .
( Look Exchangeable with FP Cranks , ive got two But Somebodys ' reworked them ' for Classic B team race , here .
Anyone want two Hi Po Cranks & butchered , Er Ported & shaved - FP25 cases & cranks , lemme know )

Two FP 40s & the Two LAs all had the oxidation , one FP used the OXIDE to re lap the liner , Tragic .
So pull the back plate & inspect the flywheel , on your swap meet finds .

If they arnt all shiney , theve Probly Got STUCK WRIST PINS , like my LA 25s ! Polished up o.k.
acetone soak & clean lands in piston & rod , & Case Bearing & clear the front oilway cutting .

Made a pair of toungue mufflers for them / the 262 . Will pull 7 check the GP Magnum FP clones , justin case .Maybe bolt the LAs in .

One New FP 25 on the shelf .

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Re: OS 25 FP performance against OS 25 LA
« Reply #52 on: April 25, 2018, 11:00:28 PM »
Getting all inspired buy this thread , and seeing the previous post

will relate the FP Crank Saga . Theyre All Rusty , in the case of most second had motors from the U.S. !

Las t Night checked & stripped two ' as new ' LA 25s  . Boiled in baking soda solution , then used the green 3M post scourer ,
a screwdriver to turn it inside the port , 320 wet & dry to ' brush up ' the flanks ,
and  600 to polish the crank pin & shaft .

They were only lightly grotty , but enough to reduce life expectancy . Theyre the two bush El Cheapo crank .
( Look Exchangeable with FP Cranks , ive got two But Somebodys ' reworked them ' for Classic B team race , here .
Anyone want two Hi Po Cranks & butchered , Er Ported & shaved - FP25 cases & cranks , lemme know )

Two FP 40s & the Two LAs all had the oxidation , one FP used the OXIDE to re lap the liner , Tragic .
So pull the back plate & inspect the flywheel , on your swap meet finds .

If they arnt all shiney , theve Probly Got STUCK WRIST PINS , like my LA 25s ! Polished up o.k.
acetone soak & clean lands in piston & rod , & Case Bearing & clear the front oilway cutting .

Made a pair of toungue mufflers for them / the 262 . Will pull 7 check the GP Magnum FP clones , justin case .Maybe bolt the LAs in .

One New FP 25 on the shelf .

   Just for reference, if anyone deciphers this, DON'T DO ANY OF IT. If something is gummed up, disassemble and crock-pot it, DO NOT grind/lap/sand anything, just clean it and put it back together as intended. And for goodness sake, don't toss out the factory muffler, since that is both very effective, and makes the engine run better than the alternatives.

     If you lap or sand or grind the ABC cyl/piston assembly, you should go find a replacement, because it will be immediately ruined.

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Re: OS 25 FP performance against OS 25 LA
« Reply #53 on: April 26, 2018, 10:25:00 PM »
Nobody said Lap the Liner , ABC or Otherwise . Brett . Having only one 3030 or wotever muffler , and a two engined twin , one is obliged to improvise . Theyre Rather Large Toungue Mufflers , with 11 x 2 mm holes . Will Report on their adequacy . The intakes are rather large too,
The C/L racings ASP 15 ones from  bill bischoff  here , 1/4 in - .0.25 bore , 4 mm spraybars .( could do with sleeving ) Thinking I will try 20 % Nitro .The Intakes fit the GP Manum , FSR type Magnum pro, & Royal .
Though finding launchers here usualy implies hesitant Combat Flyers , As Theyve NO WHEELS ! .
On the coast in NZ , the 20 yr old tourists in tight T shirts managed to follow instuctions with out a flaw . Flawlessly even . Here Not so . :P

One Can see the Cranks Before & After . The baking sodas completely supurflous . But enhances photo & softens gook , as does acetone bath .
Polishing Bearing Surfaces is Std Practise in the racing game , Mirror Finish , if you please or persevere .
The oxidation here caused no PITTING , and polished off .
Being not wishing to faff around , the 320 Wt is used to knock the debri off , the 600 to polish / uniform surface .
1200 or 1000 would be used for mirror finish finishing . Were NOT useing 80 or 100 Wt Garnet Paper ,
which would lead to tears , other than porting work .

Wrist Pins in the LA 's were pretty much solid , as they required a firm approach to dismantle .
Likely run twice ' Nitro ' motors , all these are Ex R/C . snots .

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Re: OS 25 FP performance against OS 25 LA
« Reply #54 on: April 26, 2018, 10:33:43 PM »
You can see there the contaminated surface dosnt present an ideal bearing surface , the wrist pin equally.
Both liable to promote severe bearing wear in short order .

The Magnum 25 FP Clones , one had light crank gooking up , both had wrist pin ditto , more run one worse . Other no head/ piston deposits ,
but still the nitro had got at the wrist pin .

Hence the neccesity to flush & oil before long term storage .Ball Race motors it gets to the bearings , the nitro lets the oxidation ( rust ) start .

Poor picture of the FP 25 clone , for the record . Both Stripped . cleaned , polished shafts , contamination cleared , and ready to go .
Will report on behavoir , had in mind the classic stunt comp, Sunday . But the Ute & other priorities will take precedance .

The mufflers from Dubro Extn , 1 1/2 long , so about four times the volume of the little brodack ' chip ' mufflers .
Had Fox 25 BB mufflers on it before, modified to fit . Ones missplaced, hence replacements .


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Re: OS 25 FP performance against OS 25 LA
« Reply #55 on: April 26, 2018, 10:52:33 PM »
Strewth , only polished crank pictures a Honda ! cant see a Norton or Triumph today . Though saw my 55 T100R 8.000 rpm crank , that'd
@#$% on TZ 350s on the short circuit .  :-X Was Done Pre 64 , as Morrie Lowe did the usual Continental Circus kick the bucket that year ,
Likely the Highest Spec T 100 R motor built , a easy 130 with more left , Whereas ' C' clascs record back then was 136 , on a T 100 'R' .  :o
Heres a Dew Cati crank , Polished .

One must use a Brain when on the shafts / bearing surfaces . This here looks more just polished than ' preped ' where
corner radius , & continuity on shafts are of prime consideration .

However youd have to be pretty ham fisted , clueless , or watching the television , to stuff up a little OS single cylinder crank .
Paper on a glass surface , I used on straight edge for hard corner to get into the corners .
Was merely removing deposits & irregularities ,Assureing crank is perpendicular / parrallel to surface is prerequisette.
The 3M scourer is used to clean in the intake tunnel . NO metal to Metal Contact permitted .

Used / Softened 3M pads to clean Gudgeon lands , rod bearings , taKES BUT A MOMENT , THREADED THROUGH .
a Fine Touch & Judicious approach are required . Not for the ham fisted . Practise on junk , if your unsure . S?P

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Re: OS 25 FP performance against OS 25 LA
« Reply #56 on: April 26, 2018, 11:39:19 PM »
New Control Line Stunt engine . !



Cleanliness is Next to Godliness .  S?P

Wash in Solvent or Alcohol , Ensure NO GRIT remains. A clean paper towel should show NO Contamination , after duress on component/s

Triumph ( Even Though its NOT a Pre Unit , which were more carefully built than most unit construction triumph / BSA's
( Nortons were later built in the olde J.A.P. Factory .Often by careless youths . . . .



Drilled / Lightened , narrowed , polished Timing Gear set . The Case itself would perhaps be polished INTERNALLY for better oil flow down / less drag .

And yr garden variety  S?P :-\ or maybe not so garden variety , Cad. & other High Po were more ' Quality Control ' Oriented ,
 350 Chev.  .



Again objective is better drain down ( if de burred case ) Less Drag . Lower Stress raisers/ raising . MORE Horsepower .
Better Reliability .
Rather than modifying , ' improvements ' and greater attention to deatail . At that era of engineering .
Not Everyone had the pockets for a 1.000 Hr hand built ' production ' engine .

While deburring / cleaning & polishing likely wont harm a Aerobatic Engine , its more the provinance of Race / Hi-Po options.

THOUGH here the pre requiste was the elimination of debri & contamination of second hand used C-L powerplants .

At Your Own Risk . Common Sense & some degree of engineering Knowledge and Princaples is assumed / required .
So Study or Practise on junk. Some have a natural affinity / touch . Less is usually More , in ' altering ' anything .
unless a master of the art .

So we Dont Dissagee with the ' Brett Buck Tune ' ; but started from Ex R.C. junkers - so used what we can get , here with the FP/LAs ,
The Boxed FP Remaing is the RC with the ' Correct ' muffler , and the LAs are the ' Correct '  Venturies  Now ..

Ive put this stuff on , as second hand FPs / LAs unless correctly cared for are liable to corrosive deterioration ,
Which unless corrected is leading to their premature demise . H^^

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Re: OS 25 FP performance against OS 25 LA
« Reply #57 on: April 26, 2018, 11:45:05 PM »
Okay, a couple more incidental but not particularly insightful data points.  If it doesn't rain tomorrow I"m going to see if my shoulder can take a couple of flights so I pulled out a couple of Skyrays and swapped out the APC 10x4 props for 9x4 props and fired them up.  A blue .25 LA-S with mystery NVA peaked out at 13,700 RPM static, and a stock silver .25 LA-S peaked out at around 13,000 RPM.  Using 10% nitro, 20% half and half oil.

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Re: OS 25 FP performance against OS 25 LA
« Reply #58 on: April 28, 2018, 11:30:40 PM »
Ok Dane you can put my Silver LA back together now 🤣.

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