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Offline Bob Zambelli

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RCV In-Line Engine
« on: August 29, 2007, 08:31:03 AM »
Has anyone had experience with this powerplant?

This is the one with the power taken off the rotating sleeve, which turns at half crankshaft speed.

We are considering one, the .60 size, for C/L use.

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Re: RCV In-Line Engine
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2007, 10:10:12 AM »
Bob,

Can't remember who but a couple years ago someone posted his expierence with one on one of the forums. I seem to remember his opinion wasn't very good. Seem to remember it actually failed (as in broke) after a short pieriod of running.

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Re: RCV In-Line Engine
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2007, 10:27:48 AM »
Correct, Bob - that was the conventional version. I remember it on ssw.

The one I'm considering is the inline version which is quite different.

It's for scale.

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Re: RCV In-Line Engine
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2007, 10:53:10 AM »
Hi Bob,
I have  the RCV-60 that I have been trying out on a test stand. It weighs just over 20 oz.so I am going finish building a very short nose test plane. Health problems have kept me out of work and away from flying for the last couple of years but I am slowly recovering so maybe I can get back to testing the RCV soon.

I got the RCV to experiment with my theories on using big props with 10"-11" pitch turning apx. 4,500 rpm.  The lower rpm should reduce the gyroscopic inertia, and precession problems associated wih big props but it probably won't help "P" effect issues.  

On the test stand it ran over 7 minutes on 2 oz of 15% nitro 20% oil fuel which suprised me. If this fuel economy holds in the air then that is a reduction of weight in the front end of 2.5 oz that could help offset engine weight compared, to say, a Saito 62.

This beast can swing some pretty big stock props and even bigger modified props with that gear reduction.

If my stunt experiment fails it will make a good scale engine. Either way it is a well made, fairly smooth running engine. I enjoy this kind of testing and trying different things.

Note, I have used the behind the prop starting capability using a starter with the socket bolt acessory available from RCV and I have also started it with a starter and a conventional spinner cone. Either way once it starts to get broken-in  the RCV seems to be a reliable starting engine.  I would recommend anyone wanting to get an RCV to also get a remote glow plug rig like Sullivan makes because of the location of the glow plug in the engine.
It would simplify your life.  RCV suggests you use an OS F 4-stroke plug.

I believe Randy Smith tried out the RCV 60 and I don't think it met his expectations to fulfill the "mission" of a stunt engine that he wanted.
I think he wrote something about it not having enough power.

I am coming at the testing from my own perspective so I will have to see if I can make it work the way I want.  If not I have a good scale engine.
Seems like my buddy Dale Campbell is always adding weight to the nose of his scale planes so if I use it for scale the engine weight won't matter.

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Re: RCV In-Line Engine
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2007, 11:29:02 AM »
Bob Reeves,
I just saw your post. The RCV 60 has a maximum rpm of 6,000 rpm but I don't think you want to prop the engine to try and run that rpm, just like you don't run your Saito 56 over 9 grand with a small prop. It can do it but I wouldn't recommend it as a normal way of running. Use the engines torque
and not it's rpm to your advantage.  I run the RCV between 4,500-5,000 rpm.

I can neither validate or dispute the report about how RCV failures make it unworkable for stunt because I haven't put it on a plane yet. I do remember the flyer talking about running it wide open and he said" the engine gear system wouldn't hold up to it to he load, but a RC plane wouldn't run that fast all the time which is why the engine works for RC scale work."
I don't remember how he had the engine propped but he did experience a very real problem so I am going to look for any signs of failure during my testing.
 
I have an old wing and a front end with doublers and landing gear mounted already made, so I just need to complete the fuselage and build a tail for it and get on with RCV testing.  I have been waiting a couple of years for this.

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Re: RCV In-Line Engine
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2007, 01:00:30 PM »
Hi, Pat - I flew the "conventional"  RCV .60 for a season without any problems.

I loaned the plane to a friend and he won expert profile stunt at a very big contest.

We will use the inline version for precision scale only - on a Waco cabin biplane.

Bob Z.

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Re: RCV In-Line Engine
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2007, 02:26:19 PM »
Hi Bob,
Is the "conventional" 60 RCV engine you talked about the 58-CD?
It is interesting to hear how that engine works in a stunt plane.

The engine I have is the 60 inline rotating cylinder valve version the
60-SP that is mostly used for scale so all my comments are about that engine.
I just wanted to make that clarification to avoid any confusion for readers who are not real familiar with RCV engines.

I will hopefully, resume my testing on this engine in the next couple of months.

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Re: RCV In-Line Engine
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2007, 03:57:29 PM »
 

   This is the first I have heard of this engine, so I googled it. Correst me if I am wrong here, but I looked at the cut away of the .60 SP Inline. You have a main drive shaft with a bevel gear on the rear, it drives a second bevel gear on a perpendicular secondary drive shaft. This connects to the connecting rod driving the piston forward inside the main drive shaft. All of this is running on bearings. Correct? This thing is an engineering nightmare, it's awesome. This is the .90SP, I do have the correct engine I hope???

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Re: RCV In-Line Engine
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2007, 05:23:11 PM »
Hi Bill,
Yep!  The RCV-60 looks just like the the 90 in your picture but is smaller and lighter.  I think it was designed to fit in tightly cowled nacelles of scale planes. 
With the 2 to1 gear reduced drive you have to think about doubling
the pitch of the props you use to get the desired flight speed from this engine.
The gearing gives it the ability to swing some ungodly props and that took some getting used to. Well, it did for me, at least.

The engine was so unique I couldn't resist trying it out.  I hope to put it on a plane before the end of the year. The worst that can happen is I end up with a good scale engine.

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Re: RCV In-Line Engine
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2007, 06:56:00 PM »
Thanks Pat --- I thought I was seeing things. I gotta get one just to play with. Bob Z. what do you think, the RCV 120 SP in the "SDR" It says that it will swing a 15.5 - 12 --4 blade

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Re: RCV In-Line Engine
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2007, 08:49:55 PM »
I built a 700 sq. in plane for the RCV 58. The engine was the most docile of all the 4S that I  have used but does not like castor. I found it two heavy for the power out put. I replaced it with a Saito 56 and the plane flew a lot better. I have a Pathfinder with a inch cut off the nose with this engine in it and does a good job flying it.
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